Jinggoy Estrada: acquitted of plunder and convicted of bribery. is he innocent?
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at kailan ba talaga mauhuli itong mga corrupt na politiko natin
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at mauhuli ba talaga sila o iba ba talaga ang batas natin dito
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pag makapangirihan ka kumpara sa isang tao na walang kapangirihan o walang pera.
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Okay, yung pagka-acquit sa kanya kasi I think is a technicality.
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Dahil pag pinakinggan mo yung desisyon at kung bakit nila dinesisyon na i-acquit si Jingoy
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isa sa mga sinabi nila ay they don't believe na Jingoy stole or plundered more than 50 million pesos
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kasi may threshold yung plunder case.
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Kailangan yung na-plunder mo na pera ay above 50 million pesos.
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Pag below 50 million.
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Hindi ka pwede ma-charge with plunder.
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So it's a technicality and I actually believe that that law is flawed.
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Kasi for me, kahit na 50 million, 30 million, 20 million o 100 million
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ang ninakaw mo sa kaba ng bayad, kailangan ka matanggal sa pwesto mo
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at kailangan ka maparusahan dahil plunder is plunder regardless of the amount in my opinion.
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Pero according to our law at ang gumawa ng ating batas ay ating mga politiko,
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I think it favors them by doing these kinds of laws to protect them
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so that they can do all of these things
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and that's the unfortunate thing about the laws in the Philippines.
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The people that are voted to create these laws
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are the very people that create laws for their own interest
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and to protect themselves so that they can enrich themselves.
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That is the unfortunate thing with politics.
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Now, is Jingoy corrupt or not?
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Well, hindi natin masabi.
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According to the law, hindi daw siya corrupt.
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But historically, tignan na lang natin kung ano ba yung kanyang kayamanan, kanyang lifestyle.
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Ikaw na lang maghusga.
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Kayo na maghusga kung anong tingin niyo sa kanya.
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Kung mabuti ang tao ba yan o hindi.
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Kung corrupt ba siya o hindi.
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Base na lang sa kanyang kayamanan bilang isang politiko at ang dami niyang pera.
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At ano ba talaga trabaho niya?
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Kaya mo bang gumama ng ganyan bilang isang politiko?
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Yan na lang isipin mo na lang at kayo na maghusga.
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Maraming paraan kasi ang ating mga politiko para makalusot at magawa ang kanilang mga corrupt ways sa ating bansa.
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And I'll give you some example of how they can get away with corruption na hindi nakikita ng batas.
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For example, merong contractor or kumpanya or organisasyon na gusto makipag-deal o may ginagawang project with the government.
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And it requires...
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It requires the approval of a politician like a senator or congressman.
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Ang mangyayari dito ay hindi directly sasabihin ng politiko sa organisasyon or sa kumpanya na gusto niya ng kickback.
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Ang magsasabi nun ay yung mga tao niya.
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At yung pagsabi nun, of course, is done in private between two people.
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So walang witness.
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Pag magkaroon na ng bayaran with regards to the money.
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It's not done through bank transfers, obviously.
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Kasi mauhuli yun.
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Everything is done through cash.
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Hindi lang done through cash.
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Ang pag-deliver pa ng cash is done in secrecy.
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Yung bagman o yung magdadala ng pera ay pupunta sa isang lugar.
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Could be the house or a residence or a place designated by the politician.
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At iiwan lang yung pera.
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With nobody in the room.
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So walang magtatanggap ng pera.
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And so hindi mo alam.
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At wala kang ebidensya.
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Hindi mo pwede masabi na nabigay mo yung pera dito sa politiko na to.
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Kasi hindi mo naman nakita.
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Kasi iniwan mo lang sa isang kwarto yung pera.
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And then, two, three days later, suddenly, ma-approve na lang yung project mo.
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Makukuha mo na lang yung contract na inaantay mo.
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Pero wala kang makikitang connection.
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And that's where it's difficult.
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It's difficult to prove unless gumawa ka ng entrapment.
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At yun yung mahirap dito sa corruption sa Pilipinas.
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At bakit mahirap huli yun yun.
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Another thing is when you ask the politician directly about, you know,
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let's say for example may deal kayo ng isang politician.
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Kung magaling yung politicians, tinanong, okay na ba tayo sa usapan natin?
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De-deny nila lahat yan.
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Sabihin na, hindi ko alam kung anong pinagsasabi mo.
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Basta kung anong usapan yun ang tao ko, yun na yun.
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That's how they do it.
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Another way they do these corrupt practices is this.
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For example, you have a contractor that is dealing with a politician.
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Tapos may gusto siyang kontrata.
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Ngayon, let's say nakuha niya, bago niya makuha yung kontrata,
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they're gonna play golf, for example.
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Sa golf game nila, magkakaroon sila ng pustahan.
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Tapos sabihin ng politiko, oh sige, I bet you can't do a hole-in-one.
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I'll bet you 50 million pesos na yung magagawa yan.
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hindi niya magagawa yung hole-in-one, obviously.
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Natalo siya sa pustahan eh.
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So ano gagawin niya?
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Susulatan niya ng check eh.
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Binigay niya yung check o nagbigay siya ng cash.
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Talo siya sa pustahan eh.
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Pustahan lang yun eh.
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Over a game of golf.
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Pero coincidentally, the week later,
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biglang na-approve yung project niya.
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Pero how do you connect that?
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Kasi you're looking at it from a stance of
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they're just playing golf as buddies.
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Mayaman sa mayaman.
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So yun, nag-exchange money lang.
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Tapos next thing you know,
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they got the contract.
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They got the contract.
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Maraming iba't-ibang mga paraan
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para maging corrupt sa Pilipinas.
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At yung mga matatagal ng mga politiko
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ay mas magaling dito.
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Ngayon, pag-usapan naman natin
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yung kaso ng bribery.
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Nung tinanong si Jingoy about it,
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kung anong tingin niya dun,
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I'm not my lawyer.
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I don't know what it's all about.
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Alam mo, kung hindi ka guilty,
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sabihin mo lang, hindi.
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Hindi nangyari yun.
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The fact na hindi ka makasagot ng derecho
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really means that you're hiding behind the law,
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that the very politicians created to protect them.
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will we ever see him go to jail?
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Ah, we've seen him go to jail
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and he was granted bail.
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Surprisingly enough.
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and they're going to appeal it daw.
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But in the meantime,
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what's the ironic thing is this.
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who he's a part of,
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to take him out of the Senate.
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when you're a senator,
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you should be clean.
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You should not have any cases
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And he already has a conviction.
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Sabihin mo na nga,
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it's not final yet.
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Kasi they want to appeal it.
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But a conviction has been made.
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And in that case,
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kailangan siya temporarily
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to not be allowed
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to participate in the Senate.
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i-call na yan ng majority leader
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na tanggalin si John.
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Tanggalin si Jingoy
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from any positions that he holds
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and from participating in the Senate.
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Like they did with the Lima, right?
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Who was acquitted, by the way,
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with trumped up charges.
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how politics works.
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how our politics works.
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deal with these things,
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I am still hopeful
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magbabago din to,
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maging improve to us
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this is what we have to deal with.
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And we have to be vigilant
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and we have to always
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and abreast of what's going on
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hindi nila iisipin
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na kaya nilang gawin lang to
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kahit kailan nilang gusto.
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And that's my take on this.
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come up with your own ideas
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and thoughts on this.
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And you may agree
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or disagree with me.
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Wala tayong problema dun.
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And I'm okay with listening
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and hearing perspectives.
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Kaya I'd love to hear
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kung ano singin nyo
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dun sa akwetal niya
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on the plunder charge.
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And do you believe he's innocent?
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Or do you believe
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he just gamed the system?
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And on the conviction
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and on indirect bribery.
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Ano din si Tingin Diyo doon?
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just write it in the comment section below.
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At I'll see you guys
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in Manila when I get back.
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this is Chris Tan.
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And makita tayo muli
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sa susunod na video.
