00:29.1
Yeah. A dating application.
00:30.9
Yeah. So, and then we met in person many times. We became close. We even traveled together.
00:39.2
And we got into a relationship.
00:42.8
So, you've seen her in person?
00:44.5
Yeah. Many times.
00:45.6
You met here in the Philippines?
00:47.0
Yeah. I was already here. We met many times. She met my friends also. My friends know her.
00:53.7
She seemed very genuine and honest.
00:59.1
Sometimes, that's not true.
01:01.4
So, you've got a name for this Filipina.
01:05.9
Bella D. But I don't know if it's her real name.
01:09.9
Because she also... So, every time I had to make a transaction, I had to send to what she told me was her cousin, Giselle Barbaran.
01:20.5
That's a different name.
01:21.7
Alright. So, the name is Bella D.
01:24.0
Okay. And is that also her name in her dating?
01:29.1
No. There, there it was actually Yun. H-Y-U-N. That was... But that was a long time ago. I don't know if she's still on there or what.
01:40.4
But for now, we are uncertain if her real name is actually Bella D.
01:46.6
You don't have any identification cards with you?
01:49.7
No. None of her. Maybe her real name is Giselle Barbaran. Or she told me it's her cousin that I had to make the transaction.
01:58.4
Giselle Barbaran.
02:01.3
Okay. What made you say that her name may be Giselle Barbaran?
02:06.2
Because every time I had to make a transaction, she said she didn't have GCash. So, every time I had to make a transaction, I had to make it to this name.
02:16.0
So, it might be the same person.
02:19.1
Alright. So, you're telling us you transferred the amount to a GCash account.
02:24.4
Yeah. With the name...
02:25.4
And that GCash account is under the name Giselle Barbaran.
02:29.1
Okay. Now, you are telling us this may be the name of your girlfriend because you are unsure of her name and this is the only account where your money went.
02:41.1
Yeah. So, maybe or maybe they are two people conspiring to scam people. I don't know.
02:47.9
But sir, you mentioned earlier that you have given a total of 405,000 pesos.
02:54.0
Okay. What was the money for?
02:58.4
So, I lent her the money because there's different reasons but the main reason was that her dad was sick. He was in the hospital and needed medicine, you know.
03:07.6
Was it clear to her that you are lending her the money or you are not just gifting her the money?
03:13.5
No. It was very clear. She often said, yeah, she'll pay me back on Tuesday. She'll pay me back then and then.
03:20.6
But there was always... Then there was always something new coming up, some new excuses and...
03:26.1
So, I was just trying to be a nice guy helping.
03:28.4
Someone out, you know, that needed help.
03:30.9
So, you came here, you just want the return of your money?
03:34.3
Okay. Do you still communicate with her?
03:36.6
No. I haven't heard from her since I asked for the money back on specific dates.
03:44.1
When was the last time you talked to her?
03:46.9
The last time I communicated that I wanted the money back was like maybe a week and a half, two weeks ago.
03:52.4
Oh, right. Okay. Miss Bella D?
03:56.7
Hi. Miss Bella D.
03:58.4
Do you confirm, no, na kayo po yung girlfriend being referred to by Mr. Adam Kashinovsky?
04:05.2
Okay. So, I just want to confirm that, yeah, I lent it and he lent it on me.
04:14.5
But it was like, hindi siya nag-message sa akin. You didn't even message me. And now you are there.
04:21.9
You should talk to me first.
04:23.7
So, Ma'am Bella D, you confirmed that you received the money?
04:28.4
Okay. But now you're telling us that there was no demand from Mr. Adam Kashinovsky?
04:35.4
I have the messages. I even sent them to... I asked you but you didn't reply me. I asked you if we could...
04:43.9
You should text me again.
04:44.6
You should text me again.
04:46.6
I was waiting for your reply for setting up the payment plan that we talked about for a specific date and specific amounts. That's all I just wanted.
04:56.1
Okay. Then text me again.
04:58.4
Message me again. And the thing that you want, like the specific date and something like...
05:05.6
You know what is happening to me? And now you were there. You should talk about it.
05:10.6
Okay. Ma'am Bella D, now that Mr. Adam is here with us, he is demanding for the return of his money.
05:20.0
Can you assure him? Or can you give us a date of when can you return his P405,000?
05:28.4
I need the computation first and then we'll talk about that. We'll fix this. We'll talk about this.
05:35.7
No. Can you not give us a date, ma'am? Of when can you pay?
05:39.0
I can't give the date first. I just need to... I need to see the computation and...
05:46.1
But you told earlier that you are confirming having received this amount of money. So for now, maybe we don't need the computation. We just need the date.
05:54.1
I was confirming that I received some money. I confirmed that I received some money but...
05:58.4
I didn't have the computation yet. So I don't know how much of it.
06:01.7
Do you have any receipts, sir?
06:02.8
Yeah, I have all the receipts. I already sent to your staff also.
06:07.0
Okay. And ma'am, we would like to settle once and for all. Is your name really Bella D?
06:15.2
Okay. So ma'am, Mr. Kishinovski just wanted his money back. Okay?
06:22.5
Alright. No problem. No worries. Just talk to me. Message me.
06:27.1
Ms. Bella D, who is this?
06:30.3
That was my cousin.
06:31.7
And this is your cousin whose GCash account received the entire amount?
06:36.5
There's also one other thing that your staff found out that the address that she told me she was staying in is not really her address.
06:49.4
I was there but she booked it per night. That's what your staff found out.
06:54.3
So you don't even know where she actually resides?
06:56.9
Yeah, what bar and guy she's...
06:58.2
She stays in or anything because it was not correct. That's what your staff found out also.
07:05.1
Okay. But sir, I would like to ask, how many times or how frequent do you usually give Ms. Bella D the amount of money?
07:13.8
It depends on when she asked for it. Sometimes it's... there were days in a row. Sometimes it was after a week.
07:25.1
Of all the amount that she has borrowed from you?
07:28.2
Was there any instance where she already paid back any of those amount?
07:34.2
So there was not?
07:34.7
No. And she also... there was one transaction that she asked for and she told me that it was not received but I have proof that it was actually received.
07:48.1
Okay, okay. That's it. Just give me all the transaction of it and we'll talk about the dates and just message me. What are you doing, Begur?
07:58.2
I did message you. I wanted a payment plan but you didn't reply me.
08:02.4
Yeah, but you should understand me. For now.
08:06.9
Okay, you should also...
08:09.4
Message me again. I messaged you a while ago.
08:12.4
No, you didn't reply me after I asked for a specific date and amount.
08:16.4
Then you should message me again. You just messaged me the long message and then that's it. You didn't even message me again.
08:25.0
You didn't even try to message me again.
08:26.8
Is it my response?
08:29.1
Ma'am Bella, okay. So given that there are actually amounts that Mr. Kishinovsky have sent to you and let's just say you will be needing the computation but based on the documents that he has presented us, you owe him at least hundreds of thousands of pesos.
08:49.3
So can you commit or can you promise him at least for now because you cannot give us a definite date.
08:55.4
Baka naman you can give her a portion.
08:58.2
A partial amount for now if you cannot give us a specific date where you can fully pay.
09:03.1
Tell him to message me and we'll talk about it.
09:06.2
Okay, so it appears to me that you cannot really give a date, Ms. Bella. But will you be able to pay him?
09:12.6
I can't give a date now. That's why we need to talk.
09:16.6
Talk about what, ma'am?
09:18.5
Talk about the payment plan that he wanted.
09:21.8
Sir, you mentioned of a payment plan.
09:24.7
Yeah, it doesn't have to be everything at once.
09:26.9
I just, you know...
09:28.2
Little by little, what she can. I even said that she could decide what date and the amount because I just, yeah, little by little, it's fine.
09:38.2
So before I talk to the police authorities in the country, well, for now, you have heard from your girlfriend that she needed a computation.
09:48.8
So we will just present her all these documents that you have given us.
09:53.2
We wanted her to provide us a definite time when she can pay.
09:58.2
We wanted her to pay these 405,000 pesos, pero it appears that she cannot give the date.
10:03.6
But at least we got the admission that she actually received money from you.
10:07.0
And that based on your statement, there was never an instance where she already paid you back.
10:14.4
All right, so we will facilitate your communication with Ms. Bella D.
10:18.8
It would be advisable if you can come up with a payment plan signed by both parties.
10:25.1
So it is a promise.
10:26.7
It is a commitment by...
10:28.2
From Ma'am Bella D.
10:29.3
That she will actually pay the amount and within those timetables.
10:34.2
Nasa linya na po natin si Police Captain Sylvester Leal, Atini.
10:40.4
Magandang hapon po, Police Captain Sylvester.
10:43.0
Magandang hapon din po at sa mga nakikinig po at nanonood sa inyong programa.
10:47.7
Sir, nandito po kasi sa studio natin isa pong foreigner, si Sir Adam Kishinovski.
10:53.5
Meron po siyang naging girlfriend na Filipina.
10:58.2
Apparently, pinahiraman po niya ng P405,000 pesos to be exact.
11:03.3
Yung kanya pong Filipina girlfriend.
11:05.7
Dito kasi po sa mga comment section ng lahat po ng ating mga viewers,
11:10.9
sinasabi nila madalas po na nagiging scam or may scheme or mudos po yung mga ganyan.
11:16.9
Baka po makatulong tayo Sir kung ano po yung mga maipapayo po ninyo sa mga ganitong klase ng mga transaksyon.
11:25.2
Opo, sa mga foreign national.
11:28.2
Talamak po ang mga ganyan ngayon sa scam natin.
11:31.4
Ngayon po, para po malaman din natin yung sa kung ano man po yung ifafile natin na kaso,
11:37.5
maaari po na papuntahin po natin sa ating himpilan dito sa Southern District Anti-Cybercrime Team sa
Taguig po, Sir.
11:47.6
Actually po sa mga foreigners, meron po tayong sinatawag dyan po is yung love scam o yung romance scam po.
11:58.2
Pagdating sa mga foreigner, mga nagpapanggap na pwede nilang papaibigin, mga gano'n, lulokohin, tapos eventually magpapadala na ng pera for business, mga gano'n po.
12:12.4
Pero possible din po na itong case natin is similar po doon sa mga love scam na sinasabi natin or romance scam.
12:22.7
Police Captain, ang mangyari po dito, pag-uusapin po muna namin kasi may commitment naman earlier.
12:28.2
Si Ma'am Bella din na maibabalik po niya yung pera na naibigay nga po sa kanya ng ating complainant.
12:35.6
Pero in the meantime, para lang din po umusad ang ating investigation, at tutal marami na rin naman kayong ininvestigan na ganitong mga modus,
12:43.0
we will advise rin si Sir Adam Kishinovsky if gugustuhin niya na lumapit na rin sa inyong tanggapan.
12:51.1
Yes po, attorney. Welcome po sila sa aming tanggapan.
12:54.3
Dito sa Southern District Anti-Cybercrime Team sa Taguig.
12:58.2
Okay. So Sir Adam, I have just talked to the chief of the Anti-Cybercrime Division of the Southern Police District.
13:06.1
Okay. And he confirmed that this scheme is prevalent, especially victimizing our foreigners in the country.
13:16.4
Now, in fact, our police has come up with a term for this. It's called love scam or romance scam.
13:24.0
Okay. Wherein they will engage with a romantic or whatever relationship.
13:28.2
And they will start asking for money. So we are not describing or we are not foreclosing the possibility that you fall in this kind of scam.
13:40.5
But nevertheless, the police captain is open. If you would like to commence an investigation against Ms. Belady,
13:49.8
we can assist you in filing the necessary complaint and coming up with the processes that will be necessary.
13:58.2
So, yeah, well, it depends if she pays me back. You know, if she pays me back, then...
14:04.9
Then, well and good.
14:06.7
That's all I want.
14:10.5
Do you have any message for Sir Adam? He just wants his money back.
14:15.8
Yeah. I'm sorry about what's happening and you know what happened to me.
14:20.1
So, I'm sorry about that, that you need to go there just for this.
14:25.9
So, okay. We'll just need to settle.
14:28.2
So, just message me and we'll figure it out.
14:31.7
Yeah, okay. If we can figure out a way you can pay me back, then perfect.
14:38.7
Okay. Sir Adam, we will accompany you to Ms. Bella.
14:43.3
And again, we will also accompany you to Police Captain Sylvester Leal.
14:49.4
Okay. And Ms. Bella?
14:51.8
Wag niyo pong i-baba yung linya. Kausapin ko po kayo.
14:54.2
Ayaw na mag-English.
14:56.1
Ms. Bella, wag niyo pong i-baba yung linya.
14:57.9
Kausapin ko po kayo.
14:58.2
Kausapin po namin kayo, ma'am, ha?
15:00.7
Okay. Mr. Adam, thank you very much.
15:02.7
And we'll talk to you, sir, the other booth.
