00:49.0
Yun yung ganyan tayo.
00:49.6
Ganyan yung level ka na ba?
00:51.0
Ganyan yung ka-pretentious tayo, ganyan yung ka-pretentious.
00:54.6
No, but, honestly, bro, how do you feel that in the house?
01:00.0
Aligy in the house.
01:02.4
Aligy in the house, yeah.
01:03.7
Well, ano, nakilang ano, naka two nights ka lang dito, one night, two nights.
01:07.9
Two nights na, two nights na. We've been enjoying ourselves, ang dami na natin na pag-usapan.
01:12.4
Um, minsan ilang ako kasi feel ko rin i-record mo ako, bro eh.
01:16.4
Akala ko, minsan ano eh, akala ko may mga sinasabi ako na off the record.
01:21.2
Baka, andyan na yung camera habang nagluluto ako, natakot ako.
01:26.2
Just in case, di ko makuha yung mga gusto kong pagkain.
01:29.8
Kanina, pinag-uusapan na natin kung sino yung mga ahente ng China.
01:33.2
Muntik na tayo madulas at sabihin natin kung sino ba talaga yung mga ahente ng China.
01:36.7
Basta, ang sabi ko ay mga hindi ahente ng China ay...
01:40.1
Ah, huwag na lang. Okay, okay, okay, guys.
01:42.0
No, actually, we're, we're, we're trying to record a bunch of stuff, um, about ilustrados of the 21st century.
01:48.9
So, I think that was the thing that really binds us together, bounds us together.
01:52.8
Sorry, medyo logistics pa tayo dito.
01:55.5
Guys, by the way, mag, mag-isip kayo ng mga tanong, no, as, as we go,
01:59.1
get going with this.
02:00.6
Now, seriously, Lelo, let's, let's get the ball rolling, no?
02:03.0
Um, we wanna have this kind of freestyle discussion, which is something I'm very proud of.
02:06.9
Um, nalidistract ka, no?
02:11.3
First of all, kamusta?
02:12.1
How's, how's the United States of America?
02:15.1
Anong experience mo so far dito?
02:16.7
Ikaw, ikaw, inaipag-usap sa mga tao dito, eh.
02:19.0
Kasi, parang, if you live here, in a sense, parang tuloy-tuloy na pare-pareho naman, eh.
02:24.4
It takes somebody who doesn't live here to kind of figure out what, what it, what, what it's like.
02:28.9
Kasi, for us, ang nakikita mo ng news all the time is, ang hina ni Joe Biden.
02:36.6
Mahina rin naman si Trump.
02:38.2
But, it seems as if the media and people are magnifying Joe Biden's weaknesses more than they are magnifying one of Trump's weaknesses.
02:46.2
And that could be by virtue of the fact na siya yung presidente, madaling yung magnifying weakness niya.
02:51.2
Or maybe, that could be by virtue of the fact na matapalan talagang si, si Biden.
02:56.3
And there's going to be another Trump presidency.
02:58.7
And it's really going to be depressing.
03:00.2
So, I, I don't know.
03:01.3
I, I don't know what, how you feel here.
03:03.7
Pero, in many ways, um, nakakapagod ang American news ngayon.
03:08.8
Especially, of course, because of yung non-stop support for Israel.
03:12.1
I mean, they, they said a couple of things after they bombed yung mga, ah, trabakador ni Chef Jose Andres, di ba?
03:18.0
Yung mga nagluluto para sa mga Palestinians.
03:20.4
Medyo pumitik ng konti ang gobyerno.
03:22.1
But, ultimately, ting naman ang mga tao sa, sa, sa, sa war with U.S. support.
03:26.7
So, yung moral ng liberals ngayon, parang, ting ko medyo mababa.
03:30.1
Hopefully, baka tumahas na.
03:31.4
Ting ko may mababa ang moral.
03:32.7
But, Lelo, the reason I'm asking is because, of course, of maraming sa ating mga kaubayan, they have this kind of American dream image of America.
03:41.3
And then, there are, there are a lot of Filipinos who have been all around the world.
03:45.4
Scandinavia, the Japans, and Taiwans.
03:48.5
Let's just say, ma, medyo maayos na bansa.
03:50.4
And then, they come to the United States.
03:52.2
They say the home, they see the homelessness in San Francisco.
03:54.7
I see homeless people next to the American Congress.
03:56.9
In the Pennsylvania Avenue.
03:58.3
So, suddenly, your image of America is this kind of a late capitalist.
04:01.9
This kind of a decaying superpower.
04:05.1
And then, of course, you have all of this American-Russian disinformation.
04:09.1
Highlighting yung bridge na natamaan sa, you know, sa Baltimore.
04:13.8
The bad, ugly trains here.
04:16.2
You know, compared to, you know, what you, of course, used to also enjoy when you were based in Kyoto.
04:21.6
Tsaka yung mga trend daw sa China.
04:23.9
Sabi ng mga ahint.
04:24.7
Sabi ng mga ahint eh.
04:26.7
Wala daw sinabay yung mga train dito compared sa majestic trains.
04:30.8
Or airports, for that matter.
04:32.4
I mean, the airports in the U.S.
04:33.5
Like, I don't know.
04:35.6
So, I was in South Carolina.
04:37.2
Then, I went to Georgia.
04:38.0
Then, I flew here.
04:40.9
At the same time, you realize, U.S. is ang yaman ng bansa.
04:43.8
It's a very wealthy country.
04:45.9
Yeah, it's a very wealthy country.
04:47.5
It's, ah, grabe pa rin yung kayamanan, di ba?
04:51.1
Hindi naman sobrang yaman itong area na ito.
04:52.9
This is a university neighborhood.
04:55.8
So, mostly, mga professors yung nakapira dito
04:57.8
or people who are working for the university.
04:59.8
I mean, I've worked at the University of California here in Berkeley.
05:04.5
And if you walk around, parang, it's middle class.
05:07.8
Pero, pag pumunta ka din sa shopping street dyan, di ba?
05:11.8
Pumasok ka dun sa place yung nagbebenta dyan ng unan.
05:14.8
Tanong mo, gano'ng unan?
05:17.3
So, five thousand pesos para sa isang unan?
05:20.3
Grabe, in an area where ostensibly, dapat mga academic yung nakapaganda.
05:25.7
Yeah. In an area where ostensibly, dapat mga academic yung nakapaganda.
05:25.8
Parang may gano'ng klaseng mga unan.
05:27.8
So, I wala ko bakit unan yung naisip ko.
05:30.8
But I think it's just so telling.
05:31.8
May bibili ng one hundred dollar pillow.
05:35.8
Still says something about the wealth of this place.
05:37.8
And it speaks to the power of the United States.
05:41.8
And, yun nga, kahit sabihin ng mga ahente ng China,
05:45.8
tsaka yung mga taong fan ni...
05:47.8
Gusto na nalang pag-usapan natin yung no comment, di ba?
05:49.8
Kahit yung mga taong fan ni no comment, kahit sabihin pa nila na, you know, declining ng USA,
05:55.7
dahil pa rin gustong pumunta dito eh.
05:57.7
For all of its problems.
05:58.7
Including Chinese people.
05:59.7
I have a lot of Chinese friends from China.
06:01.7
They immigrated here kasi di na nila kaya yung zero COVID time.
06:06.7
The whole Xi Jinping track down and all of that.
06:08.7
They're here in the US.
06:09.7
Dahil pa rin gustong pumunta dito.
06:11.7
And I think magpa five years na ako nakatala dito sa US.
06:15.7
Although, every summer ako bumabalik ako sa Pilipinas na podcast tayo.
06:19.7
Para mag-podcast video.
06:20.7
Umuwi ako every summer.
06:22.7
Taga, feel ko na yung attractiveness niya,
06:25.5
yung attractiveness ng US to immigrants.
06:27.5
It's strength, di ba?
06:28.5
Kasi multicultural pa rin eh.
06:30.5
I mean, maglakad ka lang dyan, may Thai restaurant ka agad, di ba?
06:34.5
May Ethiopian restaurant down the corner.
06:36.5
May Mexican restaurant.
06:38.5
A lot of South Asians in the industry.
06:40.5
And obviously here, lots of South Asian food also.
06:43.5
Or there's even a Burmese restaurant in the downtown.
06:46.5
So, you know, that's the kind of diversity that you get in progressive cities.
06:54.5
Like in the United States.
06:56.5
And that's immensely appealing for me.
06:58.5
Kasi mahal ko yung Pilipinas.
07:00.5
Pero isa naman ang problema natin sa Pilipinas.
07:02.5
Hindi talaga diverse, di ba?
07:04.5
Mostly, mga tapo-Filipino lang natin yung pausap natin.
07:07.5
And masarap yung diversity.
07:10.5
Masarap yung diversity.
07:11.5
And of course, part of the diversity is maraming Pinoy.
07:14.5
Hindi ka rin mau-homesick.
07:18.5
Hindi ka rin mau-homesick.
07:19.5
So, are we agreeing with a lot of podcasts?
07:23.5
From what I've seen with a lot of podcasters and all that.
07:28.5
There's something fundamentally wrong with the news cycle and the mainstream media business.
07:32.5
They tend to sensationalize fault lines and problems.
07:36.5
I mean, we're not denying that there are problems in America.
07:37.5
As in any major democracy around the world—you talk about France, you talk about UK.
07:40.5
The list is long.
07:41.5
And I'm not also romanticizing politics in Japan.
07:44.5
They have a different problem there.
07:47.5
But you think there's also a lot—
07:48.5
Kasi for a moment, when I plan not to think about politics,
07:53.5
From the woke to anti-woke, it's a wealthy country, there's so much energy, there's hubris, there's openness.
08:02.2
Parang sabihin ko, parang kung decline ng US, sidahan mo nga yung TV mo, ano yung pinapanood mo, yung streaming service mo, ano yung pinapanood mo, tignan mo yung Spotify mo, ano yung pinapakinggan mo, diba?
08:13.1
The world is still dominated by US culture, diba?
08:16.4
Although Spotify is Swedish.
08:18.5
Pero yung music, ano yung pinapanood mo.
08:19.5
I know, I'm just kidding.
08:21.0
May diversity na of course, diba?
08:22.8
Siyempre yung emergence of K-pop and things like that.
08:26.8
But, you know, our entertainment is still largely defined by the US.
08:30.7
I mean, and the world still largely speaks a language that, you know, the US is the biggest promoter of now, English, of course.
08:38.6
So, and then the other thing, volume daw, volume daw pa.
08:43.7
You should speak louder.
08:45.1
Ah, okay, sige, sige.
08:46.5
Ano kasi, bedroom voice na ako.
08:48.0
Kasi wala, ano na ako eh.
08:49.4
Gabi time, sorry, I know, I know.
08:50.6
May men ako in a bit, kaya medyo nag-bedroom.
08:52.8
Bedroom voice na ako.
08:53.9
Ito, high energy to, ano, kahit anong oras eh.
08:57.3
Pero, ano, ano mo yung sasabi ko?
08:59.9
Ang laki kasi nitong lugar na to.
09:01.0
Wag mo naman sila pansin it, just do your thing.
09:02.7
Bro, ang laki kasi nitong lugar na to.
09:04.6
So, ang hirap mong husgahan yung US based on generalization.
09:10.3
A slice of the society.
09:11.4
Kasi, ikaw, you just traveled from South Carolina to probably the most liberal city in the US, Berkeley.
09:19.8
And I'm sure it's a very different experience.
09:22.8
Red to blue, blue, yeah.
09:26.8
Maybe even socialist, you know.
09:28.7
So, ano, how does it feel?
09:32.6
How does it feel?
09:33.8
Ang tanong sa atin, sorry, ano daw ang topic natin?
09:36.8
Wala nga topic eh.
09:37.6
Wala nga topic, medyo nag-free flow kami.
09:40.0
Pero, yun nga, please feel free to ask us questions.
09:43.6
And mukhang ang dami ng, ang dami ng, ano, ang dami ng tanong tungkol sa no comment.
09:49.4
Yan ang pinag-uusapan na rin naman natin yung US at saka yung China.
09:52.8
Pag-uusapan na natin yung no comment ng ating vice president.
09:56.8
At may pahabol pa dun eh, diba?
09:58.1
Umasa pa siya sa kapatid niya.
09:59.5
Sabi niya, kung ano yung sinabi ng kapatid ko sa Paulo Duterte, yun na yun.
10:04.7
Parang, that's it.
10:06.1
You don't want to talk about this anymore.
10:08.7
Bakit ang lantaran, bro?
10:10.1
Bakit ang lantaran?
10:12.0
Parang, ano na ba ito?
10:12.8
Hindi na sila nahihiya sabihin na talagang, na lantaran na silang pro-China.
10:17.7
Honestly, yun nga eh.
10:18.6
I mean, one thing that I was,
10:21.1
Lelo has a knack for,
10:22.8
putting things in a very interesting way.
10:24.8
But I mean, a few years ago, you said,
10:26.1
Philippine studies is almost Duterte's studies.
10:28.5
I think, was this in Colombia?
10:29.4
Si, tapo ko yun kay, kay Kim,
10:31.7
Prof. Mark Thompson ko ata na po.
10:33.9
So, see, very honest guy also,
10:36.1
giving credit where credit is due.
10:37.5
Although, I want to clarify,
10:38.6
if my blogger na nagsasabi na,
10:39.7
I just get out, you know what?
10:41.0
I'm gonna go, but never mind.
10:42.5
No, no, we are very original people,
10:44.0
and we, in our writings,
10:45.9
we reference people,
10:46.7
if ever we really got ideas from them.
10:49.0
But anyways, going back to this,
10:51.7
or you, referring,
10:53.0
I mean, like, someone else first.
10:58.5
medyo laos na mga Dutertes
10:60.0
in terms of Duterte,
11:00.9
Philippine studies?
11:03.2
Kasi ako, of course,
11:04.1
during the Duterte time,
11:05.0
I'll go around the world.
11:06.0
I mean, you know that.
11:06.7
Until the pandemic kind of restricted me slightly.
11:09.2
But, now I'm here,
11:11.7
everyone is gushing over Marcos Jr.
11:14.1
From deep red to deep blue,
11:17.3
I'm always in deep blue,
11:21.1
well, Biden is blue,
11:23.2
Democrat administration,
11:24.8
and in a few days' time,
11:26.1
they're gonna host Marcos
11:27.1
in the White House.
11:29.2
And parang laos na bigla.
11:31.0
Parang ngayon, mas cool to talk about.
11:34.4
I don't know, hindi naman cool.
11:35.2
Parang bumabalik na yung
11:36.6
email defect discussions.
11:38.4
You know what I'm saying?
11:39.3
I thought that too.
11:41.4
And then lumabas yung libro ni Patricia.
11:44.6
And then I realized
11:46.7
there's still an appetite
11:48.0
to talk about Duterte.
11:50.9
nung, ano, parang,
11:52.8
sabi ko nga kay Patricia,
11:55.8
habang presidente pa si Digong.
11:57.8
Kasi pag inabas mo yan
11:59.5
at hindi na presidente si Digong,
12:00.9
baka laos na, diba?
12:02.4
So, nung lumabas yung libro,
12:05.2
kasi hindi na presidente.
12:06.5
Medyo nakalimutan na,
12:07.8
akala ko nakalimutan yung drug war.
12:10.1
And then it just exploded, diba?
12:11.9
Top 10 books of New York Times,
12:14.9
top 10 books ng Economist.
12:16.7
It was one of the most
12:18.4
talked about books
12:22.8
Which made me realize
12:23.5
people are still thinking
12:24.8
there's something about Duterte
12:26.8
na kahit wala na siya sa headlines,
12:29.6
if you bring him up,
12:31.3
people are going to want
12:32.3
to talk about him.
12:34.6
Now, of course, yung laos,
12:36.0
may pinakaiba yun sa popularity.
12:38.5
Popular pa ba si Digong?
12:40.1
And of course, we're seeing
12:41.4
we're seeing Digong
12:43.0
finally getting tempted.
12:45.9
You know, I'm not surprised.
12:47.4
Surprised ka ba na bumaba ba
12:49.4
yung popularity ng Digong?
12:52.8
Hindi naman eh, kasi
12:53.6
lagi sinasabi ni Ronnie Holmes, diba?
12:56.1
Sa survey, mataas ang presidente
12:57.5
because of the signaling power
12:59.7
of the office of the president.
13:01.9
Pag nawala yung signaling power,
13:03.5
parang nakakapogi yan.
13:04.6
Oo, nakakapogi yung signaling power mo,
13:06.5
may platforma ka eh.
13:09.3
Ang dali kagad bumaba niyan.
13:11.3
We think na unpopular si Pinoy
13:13.4
at the end of his term,
13:14.3
but hindi naman unpopular si Pinoy
13:15.6
at the end of his term.
13:16.4
It was damaged, of course,
13:20.1
Pero talagang bumaba si Pinoy
13:22.8
Ang signaling power mo
13:23.8
ay signaling power na ni Duterte
13:25.4
at kaya na siyang siraan, diba?
13:27.6
So, well, mas mataas ang pinanggalingan
13:30.7
ni Duterte kaysa kay Pinoy
13:31.8
kaya mas mabagal yung pagbagsak.
13:34.2
Pero I think it matters
13:35.2
na wala na siyang signaling power
13:36.5
at ang signaling power ng mga Marcos
13:38.5
ay slowly naging anti-Duterte na.
13:41.9
Now, let's not forget
13:43.7
na ang signaling power ni Duterte
13:45.3
was anti-Pinoy from day one, diba?
13:47.8
Kaya talagang siniraan ka agad.
13:49.3
Yung signaling power ng Marcos
13:51.2
is slowly nagiging...
13:53.9
So, how much are they gonna use that
13:55.7
to damage Duterte in the long run?
13:57.7
But the thing is,
13:59.5
speaking of signaling of Duterte,
14:01.4
a lot of his signaling was
14:02.6
attacking Marcos openly
14:04.1
and calling for a people power.
14:05.8
How did that go down here?
14:07.6
how did you absorb yung
14:10.4
nagminimuraan niya si Marcos
14:11.9
tapos accusing each other
14:13.7
of being polvoronic,
14:15.0
the whole fentanyl versus polvoronic?
14:17.7
I mean, as crazy as this guy is,
14:21.3
as crazy as Philippine Paul,
14:23.4
that's something, right?
14:24.6
I mean, I do global politics,
14:27.0
but this is like next level.
14:28.6
How do you translate it kasi to English,
14:32.3
I think sa libro ni Pat,
14:34.1
it's actually a kind of
14:35.2
great English translation of Duterte
14:37.6
na parang halos narinig mo na yung Tagalog
14:40.5
at yung Visayan ni Duterte
14:42.2
doon sa translation.
14:43.3
But mostly Tagalog yung translation.
14:45.0
That's largely due to, you know,
14:47.2
the translators that Pat worked with,
14:49.1
former houseguest of mine,
14:50.5
si Kyle Coe, for example.
14:52.0
But she's also called...
14:52.6
The Comps Linguistics Department, right?
14:53.9
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:54.5
You could see that coming out there, yeah.
14:56.0
So magaling yung talaga yung pagkatranslate
14:57.6
kay Duterte into English.
14:58.7
I don't know itong mga recent trades
15:00.2
si Duterte people
15:01.4
kung nagre-register dito.
15:03.9
And I mean, Duterte has really said
15:05.1
a number of crazy things, di ba?
15:07.3
Since he left office.
15:08.5
Dahil nga, meron siyang show na
15:09.8
si Ronald lang yung nanonood, di ba?
15:14.0
Si Ronald lagi nanonood.
15:15.5
Hindi na Ronald ang pangalan niya.
15:18.8
Alden's Richard Ronald.
15:20.6
Crush ng bayan na si Ronald.
15:25.0
So, as a historian,
15:29.4
let's say if you were a historian
15:30.7
50 years from now,
15:32.5
and you're still alive, let's say,
15:33.8
a director keeping healthy,
15:36.2
I think not only alive,
15:37.5
you're gonna be very robust.
15:39.5
If you were gonna write about
15:40.8
50 years from now,
15:42.3
let's say a guy in his 80s,
15:45.3
healthy and strong,
15:48.6
what do you think you would say about that?
15:50.6
Murderer pa rin eh.
15:51.8
Kaya nga, it's important na
15:54.3
nalabas na ni Patricia kagad yung libro niya eh.
15:57.0
Markahan na natin.
15:58.2
Sabihin na natin kung ano ito.
15:59.7
Tag na natin siya.
16:00.8
This is a criminal against humanity.
16:03.1
Actually, yung importante si Duterte is
16:05.3
we've never really had a criminal against humanity
16:07.9
in our history before, di ba?
16:09.8
Wala tayong Idi Amin.
16:11.5
Wala tayong Hitler.
16:12.7
Not even Marco Sr.
16:17.2
Debatable, di ba?
16:18.6
He's a classic dictator,
16:20.0
but not genocidal.
16:21.6
Pero Duterte called himself a Hitler.
16:24.0
He called himself an Idi Amin, di ba?
16:27.9
siya yung nagsabi na ilagay niyo ako
16:30.1
alongside these criminals against humanity, di ba?
16:33.2
And clearly, yung bloodlust niya
16:38.0
people didn't pay enough attention to this,
16:39.7
but I was really shocked
16:40.7
after yung Hamas terror attack sa Israel.
16:44.2
Prime Minister Netanyahu,
16:45.3
I'll support you if you turn Gaza
16:47.0
into the world's largest cemetery.
16:51.3
50 years from now,
16:52.6
this is the man who introduced bloodlust,
16:55.0
utter and absolute bloodlust
16:58.4
As a populist trust.
16:59.2
As a populist trust, di ba?
17:02.7
I think one of a kind siya sa
17:05.0
Philippine history.
17:06.7
I think even within
17:08.0
like academic circles,
17:10.7
whether or not he's a criminal against humanity,
17:12.5
didebatein ka ng mga tao eh.
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definitely he's a dictator
17:16.0
with human rights violations,
17:17.3
pero ibang threshold kasi.
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Pero ito yung talagang,
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criminal against humanity
17:20.8
and yung criminal against humanity,
17:23.5
I think let's break it down, di ba?
17:25.1
Kasi criminal against humanity,
17:28.4
he's not just a criminal against Filipino,
17:30.2
he's a criminal against
17:31.1
every single human being in the world.
17:34.0
Kasi hinurak niya yung dangal ng tao.
17:37.4
Hinurak niya yung concepto ng pagkatao.
17:41.2
that is such a grave sin, di ba?
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Yung yuyurakin mo,
17:44.5
hindi lang yung dangal ng Pilipino,
17:46.0
hindi lang yung dangal mo,
17:50.0
hindi lang yung dangal ng mga kaibigan mo,
17:52.0
yung dangal ng konsepto ng pagkatao.
17:54.0
That's what a criminal against humanity is.
17:56.0
And he engaged in systematic dehumanization
17:58.0
of thousands of his own people.
17:60.0
I mean, these are not minorities,
18:02.0
these are his own people.
18:04.0
You know, after a person like that,
18:06.0
the concept of human life has been cheapened, di ba?
18:08.0
That's the sin eh.
18:10.0
Somebody who really cheapens human life.
18:12.0
And incites hatred.
18:14.0
And incites genocidal hatred, right?
18:16.0
And incites hatred.
18:17.0
Well, I mean, again,
18:18.0
so you're obviously referring to the crime scene, right?
18:20.0
He moves against humanity charges
18:22.0
sa International Criminal Court.
18:24.0
Obviously, if the International Criminal Court moves against him
18:26.0
in the coming months, as
18:28.0
some ex-senator among others
18:30.0
keep on telling us, aside from Ronald
18:32.0
Llamas, then obviously
18:34.0
he'll be in the books also as the first Asian
18:36.0
leader to be. Kasi wala pa eh.
18:38.0
Usually, it's either Serbian
18:42.0
So he'll be the first
18:48.0
to be there in the ICC. So that
18:50.0
in itself is something we have to watch for.
18:54.0
how do you see Marcos Jr. so far?
18:56.0
I asked that question also with Justice Carpets.
18:58.0
So don't worry, I'm not doing this to you because I hate you.
18:60.0
Hindi naman natin nang papag-usapan to, di ba?
19:02.0
Parang alam mo naman yung take ko, di ba?
19:06.0
the other day we were playing
19:08.0
mental experiment
19:10.0
nag-usap tayo doon, di ba? Sabi ko,
19:12.0
Richard naman, kung ang
19:14.0
pangalan niya, kung nga rin hindi Ferdinand Marcos Jr.
19:20.0
He did everything that
19:22.0
Ferdinand Marcos Jr. did
19:24.0
from 2022 until today.
19:26.0
How would you regard him?
19:32.0
if you were to ask me,
19:34.0
I would regard him okay.
19:36.0
I would say okay.
19:40.0
Maybe kulang sa vision, pero pasado.
19:44.0
you know, my reservation with Bongbong
19:46.0
has to do with what he represents.
19:54.0
Pwede kang magnakaw ng gano'n and still get neglected.
19:56.0
He represents dati.
19:58.0
People can get away with bloody murder in the Philippines.
20:02.0
that largely informs
20:04.0
my opposition to him.
20:06.0
And it's not so much policy,
20:08.0
it's what he represents.
20:10.0
My counter-argument to that would be
20:14.0
The first one is the conventional argument, which is
20:16.0
by denying the crimes of his father's era,
20:20.0
of his family for the matter,
20:22.0
he's already continuing a certain
20:24.0
kind of injustice.
20:26.0
Pero hindi siya policy.
20:30.0
But that would be my first argument.
20:32.0
It's hard for me not to put the name aside.
20:34.0
But my understanding is,
20:36.0
and I think this is the better argument even,
20:38.0
is that a lot of what he's doing
20:40.0
is also because he's aware of his name.
20:44.0
If his name were Reyes,
20:46.0
I think he would have been more adventurous.
20:50.0
So that would be my strongest counter-argument.
20:52.0
The first one is a traditional argument.
20:54.0
The second one is I think the more interesting argument.
20:56.0
Because if you look at the charter change issue,
20:58.0
I think if his name were Reyes,
20:60.0
he would have been more aggressive.
21:02.0
Precisely because he's a Marcos Junior,
21:04.0
he's very conscious.
21:06.0
So he tends to be overly cautious.
21:08.0
And for good reasons.
21:10.0
Because he's also trying to win over the West
21:12.0
and win over people from the opposition.
21:14.0
That's brilliant.
21:16.0
But your insight is absolutely correct
21:18.0
that if you look for a moment,
21:20.0
you just close your eyes,
21:22.0
and someone gives you a box of policies
21:24.0
and what is take,
21:26.0
there's a big overlap with any standard post-Marcos president.
21:28.0
So that's a paradox.
21:30.0
He's an EDSA president.
21:32.0
More of an EDSA president than Digong.
21:34.0
In fact, foreign policy,
21:36.0
he's continuing the foreign policy
21:38.0
of Binigno Aquino III.
21:40.0
He's the next level.
21:48.0
So this is a continuity
21:50.0
and foreign policy wise
21:52.0
to the very yellow foreign policy.
21:56.0
And I think you're right.
21:58.0
He's doing it largely
21:60.0
because he cannot flirt
22:02.0
with the excesses of his father.
22:04.0
My favorite example of that
22:08.0
The Central Bank of his father
22:12.0
Central Bank would print pesos
22:16.0
The first thing he does
22:18.0
is appoints Eli Remolona.
22:20.0
The most straightforward,
22:22.0
one of the safest
22:24.0
Central Bankers around
22:26.0
and a very conservative
22:30.0
na hindi talaga mag-print ng pera
22:32.0
kahit anong gawin mo.
22:36.0
parang sobrang conservative
22:38.0
ni Central Bank Governor Remolona
22:40.0
na mismo ang neda
22:42.0
ni Bambol ay umaangal na
22:44.0
pero si President Marcos
22:46.0
is of course hands off.
22:48.0
Central Bank can do what it wants.
22:50.0
Kung tatay niya yun,
22:52.0
kapakailaman niya yung Central Bank.
22:54.0
So yung mga ganon klaseng excesses
22:56.0
And the joint patrols.
22:58.0
So for instance the idea of
22:60.0
joint patrols with the US
23:02.0
and our allies in the West Philippines.
23:04.0
Panon ni Pinoy yan.
23:06.0
And now interestingly you suddenly see
23:08.0
finally this quadrilateral patrol
23:12.0
Na siya yung dahilan
23:14.0
na may quadrilateral.
23:16.0
Kasi may isang senator na
23:18.0
ex-political advisor
23:22.0
May tago natin sa pangalan na Tolentino.
23:24.0
He's just out of nowhere
23:26.0
biglang nagpo-posture siya
23:28.0
on West Philippines.
23:30.0
We need a quadrilateral security dialogue etc.
23:32.0
Which actually the American Assistant Secretary
23:34.0
who was in town during that time
23:36.0
kind of played down.
23:38.0
But actually the idea of quad
23:40.0
and the only reason it didn't happen earlier
23:42.0
is because of yung boss niya which is Tigong.
23:44.0
So actually I found that interesting.
23:46.0
I also find it interesting that
23:48.0
not only Bato wearing West Philippines de couture
23:50.0
and trolling China.
23:52.0
And then Bongo talking about
23:54.0
condemnation of your
23:56.0
charot-charot yung mga ganon.
23:60.0
parang medyo kawawa rin si Tigong
24:02.0
in his sense na yung pro-China charot niya
24:04.0
talagang ang hirap i-sustain yun eh.
24:06.0
Because China is not delivering much.
24:08.0
And then as soon as
24:10.0
the winds of change are there
24:12.0
even yung mga loyalist niya
24:14.0
I think only Robin Hood pa dili
24:16.0
ay consistent na hindi ko i-criticize ang China.
24:18.0
And Harry Roque is Harry Roque.
24:20.0
Now without overdoing it
24:22.0
What do you mean?
24:24.0
Harry Roque is Harry Roque.
24:30.0
Whatever it goes.
24:32.0
Hindi ko nga alam saan.
24:34.0
May expression si Ronald na hindi ko nga alam
24:36.0
saan pupulitin tong tawag to.
24:38.0
Kasi ayon sa kanilang panelo
24:40.0
ayon sa kanya na tuloy 4%
24:42.0
talaga sa OCTA survey.
24:46.0
Maring KSP lang talaga
24:48.0
na walang may gusto eh.
24:50.0
Kahit ganong papansin
24:52.0
isinusukan ng taong bayan eh.
24:54.0
Basta kung magsulat ako ng nobela
24:56.0
there's gonna be Harry character there.
24:58.0
It's not gonna be hard to guess.
24:60.0
I'm just gonna make some reconstructions there
25:02.0
for ethereal cosmetics.
25:06.0
what is your sense of the opposition?
25:08.0
I know I'm gonna put you in trouble
25:12.0
kanina kasi we started
25:14.0
by talking about Biden
25:18.0
because the question I was in the Philippines is
25:20.0
actually around the world, I was in Europe
25:22.0
wala na bang ibang Biden versus Trump?
25:26.0
Ang question naman sa Pilipinas is
25:30.0
a totally new opposition?
25:32.0
Remember kanina we were talking about PITA.
25:34.0
I'm not gonna talk about that.
25:38.0
move forward third way,
25:40.0
young, charismatic,
25:42.0
aggressive, kind of
25:44.0
pakyut na konyo version ng Thailand
25:46.0
it worked in Thailand except
25:48.0
ang kabanga niya, military.
25:50.0
Tsaka yung konyo na to na
25:52.0
ang ganda-ganda ng kotse,
25:54.0
na parang may appeal sa
25:58.0
at may appeal sa opisante.
25:60.0
Which means aspirational talagang taon.
26:06.0
Maligo sa dagat ng basura
26:08.0
para manalo as president.
26:10.0
Binay in a Lacoste.
26:12.0
Benta yung binay in a Lacoste.
26:14.0
ROAS in a mukhang kawawa thing
26:16.0
it will have the opposite effect.
26:20.0
So aspirational kasi ang Pinoy eh.
26:22.0
Kaya matigna mong mga vloggers na sikat
26:24.0
sa Philippines. Yung mga openly
26:26.0
nagbrag na 1 million pesos yung watch nila.
26:30.0
Nagbrag na 1 million.
26:32.0
Yung may pagka trashy pero benta yung trashy.
26:34.0
And I would say, it's in the market.
26:36.0
Tapos we started all of that influencer
26:38.0
self-aggrandizement culture.
26:40.0
Okay, now I gave you enough lead time.
26:46.0
Nakita nga natin yung
26:50.0
Mataas pa rin si Lenny Robredo.
26:56.0
ilang beses na natin ito sinabi.
26:58.0
After nung election,
26:60.0
natalo si Lenny, naging senador si Riza.
27:04.0
you are now the leader of the opposition.
27:06.0
Passing the baton.
27:08.0
Passing the baton.
27:10.0
Can she do that again?
27:12.0
I think it would be useful now
27:14.0
for Lenny to actually
27:16.0
tell people ano ba talaga
27:18.0
yung gusto niya for the opposition.
27:20.0
Because whether or not,
27:22.0
alam ko gusto niyang magpahinga.
27:24.0
Alam ko siya wants to spend time with her daughters.
27:26.0
And I also know that she has other interests now.
27:28.0
And it's probably even thinking about local politics.
27:30.0
But I think given that
27:32.0
kahit pinasa niya yung baton kay Riza,
27:34.0
people are still looking towards her.
27:36.0
And the survey clearly reflects that
27:38.0
people are still looking towards her.
27:40.0
Riza is just one person.
27:42.0
Lenny is like double digit.
27:44.0
So nakatingin pa rin sa kanya,
27:46.0
sa kanya pa rin nakatingin yung mga tao.
27:48.0
That the future of the opposition
27:50.0
is still in the hands of Lenny Robredo.
27:54.0
And what that means is either
27:56.0
tuwak mo siya ulit
27:58.0
or mag-annoyed siya.
27:60.0
And I think this should happen soon.
28:04.0
Because we know nga
28:06.0
na one of our weaknesses dun sa last election
28:08.0
ay hindi tayo nakahanap ng opposition
28:10.0
candidate early enough.
28:12.0
So we don't want to make the same mistakes twice.
28:14.0
And unfortunately,
28:16.0
parang nakasalalay kay Ma'am Lenny
28:18.0
kung yung future ng opposition.
28:20.0
Kung saan ba, kung anong
28:22.0
landas ba talaga yung tatahakin.
28:24.0
And I know of course this is unfair.
28:26.0
This is unfair to Len Robredo na nanahimik yung tao.
28:28.0
Pero yun yung sinasabi ng survey.
28:32.0
Sa kanya pa rin nakatingin yung mga tao.
28:34.0
So the mist of uncertainty
28:36.0
is actually complicating things.
28:38.0
Kasi for me, yun nga.
28:40.0
Riza is still in the shadow of Lenny.
28:42.0
Of course, Riza is
28:44.0
appreciated as a senator.
28:46.0
But Riza as being the future of the opposition
28:48.0
meaning 2028, VP or
28:50.0
presidency, that's quite interesting.
28:52.0
Now how do you find the fact that
28:54.0
Grace Paul is doing very well for Vice President?
28:56.0
She's almost like, she's super
28:58.0
ahead of everyone.
28:60.0
And Robin Hood-Patila is not doing very well in
29:02.0
law service I'm looking at in terms of 2028 picture.
29:04.0
Nakachamba siya dito sa isa.
29:06.0
Pero mukhang mahirapan siya for
29:08.0
leveling up. What is your read on the Grace Paul phenomenon?
29:10.0
Baka kasi we're missing.
29:12.0
Kasi Grace Paul parang kinansel siya ng opposition.
29:14.0
And then in fairness naman to her,
29:16.0
she was independent in 2019.
29:18.0
Siya lang yung hindi nagganon together with Nancy.
29:20.0
So I think people are not appreciating that
29:22.0
her game always was to play
29:24.0
the independent card. Totally third way.
29:26.0
That was always her thing eh.
29:28.0
And diba, ano alam mo?
29:32.0
how long we've been having these chats
29:34.0
kay Tito Boy, when was this?
29:38.0
Early 2016? When a certain
29:40.0
Richard H. Darion did not
29:42.0
underestimate a certain Digong.
29:46.0
we both said naman that at that time
29:48.0
this is Grace Paul's election to lose.
29:50.0
Diba? And then humirit ka, sabi mo
29:52.0
may dark horse. Dark horse siya.
29:54.0
And he turned out exactly as that.
29:56.0
Hindi naman kita kinotradict nun pero wala
29:58.0
pero nakalala ko yun.
29:60.0
None of you conradited me which means
30:02.0
you were open to the idea.
30:04.0
Kahit si Tito Boy di ka naman kinotradict.
30:06.0
Actually all of us,
30:08.0
I think that video if it's still around
30:10.0
is gonna age well. Sana mahanap nga yun eh.
30:12.0
Sana pinirata namin Tito Boy.
30:14.0
Sana mahanap yun yung mas bata bata
30:16.0
pa kami. Medyo fresh pa kami nun.
30:18.0
Medyo fresh pa kami nun.
30:20.0
Naka leather jacket ka pa nun Brad.
30:22.0
Bro. Alamig kasi studio ni Tito Boy.
30:26.0
Alamig na studio ni Tito Boy.
30:28.0
Nag-iisip ako ng showbiz career,
30:30.0
hindi natuloy eh. Pero you know, you never know.
30:32.0
You never know. Kaya dito,
30:34.0
meron kami mga videos dito ng mga action star
30:36.0
so baka kami yung magtapat dun sa mga
30:38.0
alt-right ano. Pero sa akin gano'n lang kasimple yun.
30:40.0
Bumalik ka lang dun sa moment na yun
30:42.0
yung 2015, 2016. Late time yung
30:44.0
2015, diba? Next year it would be.
30:46.0
Nung akala talaga natin
30:48.0
magiging presidente si Grace Paul, diba?
30:50.0
Gano'n lang kasimple yun eh.
30:52.0
Hindi basta-basta nakawala yung gano'n
30:54.0
klaseng clout, yung gano'n
30:56.0
klaseng pull. And wala siyang major
30:58.0
mistake or anything.
30:60.0
Safe siya through and through. At walang
31:02.0
bumira sa kanya ng matindi.
31:04.0
She just hovered there.
31:06.0
So it looks like the Grace Paul
31:08.0
strategy might still pay off. She might
31:10.0
have a second chance at least as a VP.
31:12.0
And then who knows, she can work it off from there, diba?
31:14.0
At saka ako personally,
31:16.0
natatalino na ako kay Grace Paul.
31:18.0
She was the best debater. Ang talinon ni Grace Paul.
31:20.0
Ang talinon ni Grace Paul.
31:22.0
Kasi ako debate. Para para tayong
31:24.0
debater, diba? Madali
31:26.0
akong ma-win over by great
31:28.0
debaters. And I never liked
31:30.0
Gilbert Teodoro, but when I saw him in 2010
31:34.0
Yung nilampaso niya.
31:36.0
Sino ba mga kalaban yun?
31:38.0
Lahat. Sibilyar, nilampaso
31:40.0
niya, diba? Yung kapatiran,
31:42.0
nilampaso niya. Kahit si Noinoy,
31:44.0
nilampaso niya. Si Peluca ang itim ba nandun?
31:46.0
Lahat nilampaso niya, diba?
31:48.0
Si Grace hindi naman gano'n kasing
31:50.0
dominant. I've never seen
31:52.0
a presidential candidate as
31:54.0
dominant in a debate as Gilbert Teodoro. Pero
31:56.0
si Grace was getting there.
31:58.0
She was kind of starting to dominate
31:60.0
her opponents until nag-joke-joke
32:02.0
itong si Digong and turned, you know,
32:04.0
and then turned the debates
32:06.0
into a comedy show na medyo
32:08.0
sinusugan din naman ni Grace Paul. Kasalanan yun.
32:10.0
Kasi diba siya yung nag-feed
32:12.0
ng jokes kay Digong, e.
32:14.0
And she was trying, I mean,
32:16.0
the accusation is she was playing
32:18.0
safe until it was too late. Even on the
32:20.0
Digong side of things, diba?
32:22.0
Sorry, yung ano lang ha.
32:24.0
Panoorin nyo yun, yung debate na
32:26.0
ayaw magsarita ni
32:28.0
Binay at saka ni Mar. Tapos
32:30.0
may 10 minutes na, dahil hinihintay
32:32.0
na si Binay, diba? Ayaw kasi magsarita
32:34.0
ni Binay. May 10 minutes na si
32:36.0
Grace Paul at saka si Digong na yung nagsasanta.
32:40.0
Panoorin nyo yun ulit.
32:42.0
Pinifeed ni Grace ng jokes si Digong.
32:44.0
That was the moment, I think,
32:46.0
when Grace Paul unwittingly
32:48.0
gave the election to Rodrigo Duterte.
32:50.0
I would also add,
32:52.0
ito yung part na, uy, Mar,
32:54.0
pang ilang ihi mo na yan? Nervyoso ka yata.
32:56.0
Di ba ganyan yung Digong nun?
32:58.0
Si Lord Divera pa yung host nun, diba?
33:02.0
But the thing is, also during the debates,
33:04.0
if you look at it, when Digong attacked Mar
33:06.0
as, eh, incompetent ka,
33:08.0
same lang yung argument
33:10.0
ni Poe, Grace Poe. I mean,
33:12.0
and I felt like, whoa,
33:14.0
this escalated very fast. And you could see
33:16.0
napikot si Mar nun.
33:18.0
I mean, Digong, I understand.
33:20.0
Tapos si Digong komedyante,
33:22.0
si Grace showbiz, diba?
33:24.0
So, chill sila pareho, yun.
33:26.0
Yeah, I think that debate, that TV5 debate,
33:28.0
I'm not saying it because nasa TV5 na ako,
33:30.0
but that TV5 debate, I think, was very defining
33:32.0
because it ended, essentially, Binay's trajectory.
33:34.0
Oh, it ended Binay and then,
33:36.0
nag-a-send si Grace Paul.
33:38.0
EMC naman sa survey natatakot.
33:40.0
Kasi sa January policy, binay bumalik pa rin
33:42.0
sa number one. But Grace Paul clearly
33:44.0
was being competitive.
33:46.0
And then, of course, the Supreme Court case
33:48.0
came and all. So, actually, everything came
33:50.0
together. Convergence of factors for Digong
33:52.0
to win. So, there was a lot of contingency involved.
33:54.0
I think si Grace Paul, baka
33:56.0
ngayon, diba, ang number one
33:58.0
sa vice, diba? Parang...
33:60.0
Super malayo. Like, 35%.
34:02.0
Tapos number two is Aimee at like 15%.
34:04.0
Baka gawin na lang yun, diba? Takbo na lang siya
34:06.0
ang vice, diba? Right.
34:08.0
And then, madali na lang maging presidente pagkatapos nun.
34:10.0
Exactly. Kasi bata pa rin si...
34:12.0
That's the other thing, diba? Grace Paul's obviously...
34:14.0
She's still young. Grace Paul's still young.
34:16.0
She looks fresh and strong.
34:18.0
She's a very smart person. Now,
34:20.0
obviously, we cannot talk about Grace Paul
34:22.0
alone. If we're not gonna talk about
34:26.0
running mate as president,
34:28.0
I don't think it's gonna be Sarah.
34:30.0
So, I think Rafi could be one.
34:32.0
Although, part of us are saying, hoping
34:34.0
if Riza considers VP,
34:36.0
then that... But a Grace Paul-Rafi
34:38.0
one could look like a solid kind of...
34:40.0
Both of them are 35%
34:42.0
viable in Paul's Asia.
34:44.0
That could be an interesting... Mahirap talunin.
34:46.0
Yeah. Now, let's talk about...
34:48.0
But this is your time to shine, bro. Mahirap talunin.
34:50.0
The Tulfo factor is insane.
34:52.0
Ben Tulfo is number four
34:56.0
Si B-Tag. Ako si Ben Tulfo.
34:58.0
Bibitagin kita, Richard.
34:60.0
Propriety. Nab-na-meet ko yan dati si...
35:02.0
Nab-na-meet ko yan si Ben.
35:04.0
Na-interview ko yan si...
35:06.0
Na-interview ko yan si Ben Tulfo once
35:10.0
Pasok ako sa kwarto,
35:12.0
diba? Naghihintay ako.
35:16.0
Indoors po siya. Naka-shades.
35:18.0
Masikip yung shorts.
35:22.0
Asan ang interview ko? Sino ba bibitagin ko dito?
35:24.0
Kaba bibitagin ko?
35:26.0
Sabi ko, sir. Ako po. Bibitagin niyo na po ako, sir.
35:30.0
He has the Tulfo charisma.
35:32.0
Actually, for me, yung Tulfo charisma
35:36.0
Shades of grey yan.
35:38.0
Kasi si Ben yung parang siga pero medyo
35:40.0
ginagago ka ng konti. Yan yung charisma niya.
35:42.0
Si Rafi, yun yung talagang
35:46.0
Siya, of course, idol.
35:48.0
Ang masas eh. Tall Rafi, diba?
35:50.0
And then si Erwin naman has this
35:54.0
A lot more quiet charisma.
35:56.0
I would say he's actually...
35:60.0
He's also charismatic but by a hair
36:02.0
he's less charismatic than
36:04.0
the two other brothers. Kasi tahimik siya ng tao eh.
36:06.0
Except he's doing very well in his numbers.
36:08.0
Pero I think galing yun...
36:10.0
Yung pagkatahimik niya galing yun sa kanyang
36:12.0
US military yan si Erwin. Air Force 1.
36:14.0
So sundalo yan dito sa
36:16.0
USA. So meron talaga siyang
36:24.0
You may raise some technical issues later.
36:26.0
Maganda daw impersonation ko. Ben Tulfo.
36:34.0
again was the greatest moment in Philippine
36:36.0
reality show? Kasi I'll be honest.
36:38.0
I'll be honest, bro. The first time
36:40.0
na-realize ko there's this world of
36:42.0
Tulfo is yung Raymart Santiago.
36:44.0
Sabi niya eh, idol Rafi.
36:50.0
baka yung pwet mo nasa bibig mo na
36:54.0
Tapos si Ben Tulfo
36:60.0
sa isang abandoned warehouse.
37:04.0
Pumasok tayo doon. Tapos
37:06.0
last man standing.
37:08.0
Susubuan ko ang galing mo.
37:12.0
Ito yung nalalaman kong propriety.
37:14.0
Bina isang journalist.
37:24.0
Na-ban yung mga Tulfo.
37:26.0
Na-ban yung T3 for
37:34.0
Tapos si Erwin naman. Si Erwin naman parang ano.
37:38.0
kasama ko yung kuya ko
37:40.0
doon sa airport nung
37:42.0
sinuntok mo yung kuya mo.
37:44.0
Marami kayong Raymart.
37:48.0
tinamahan ang kuya ko. Pero,
37:50.0
I'm very to my kuya. Kahit marami kayo.
37:52.0
I'm very proud of my kuya.
37:54.0
Kasi kahit paano, Raymart, tinamahan ka pa rin.
37:56.0
At kung ano na ako.
37:60.0
At kung ano na ako.
38:02.0
At kung ano na ako, Raymart.
38:04.0
Sige lang, bro. I said this is your time to shine, bro.
38:06.0
It's not your turn.
38:08.0
It's not your turn.
38:10.0
Kung ano na ako, Raymart.
38:12.0
Baka wala ako dito
38:14.0
sa TV ngayon at magkasama tayo sa kulungan.
38:18.0
That was good, bro.
38:20.0
Tara, yung isang bang naalala ko.
38:24.0
Yung isang bang naalala ko, yung ano.
38:26.0
Yung hinamon niyang mga
38:28.0
Montano brothers. Hindi ko alam.
38:32.0
Meron din yung away.
38:34.0
Sorry, impression lang. Naisip ko yun.
38:36.0
Parang ano. Ano kaya mangyayari?
38:38.0
Kunwari, magkasindakan.
38:40.0
Mga Tulfo brothers at saka si Jesus Cudero.
38:48.0
Yung impression yun si Jesus Cudero, Pam.
38:50.0
Ano sa tingin niyo sa akin? Nakalad niyo ba, Rob?
38:52.0
Nakalad niyo ba sila doon ako?
38:54.0
Malakas din ang aking paninindigan dahil ako si
38:58.0
Cheese, pumasok tayo sa isang
38:60.0
abandoned warehouse.
39:08.0
Mapahamak tayo, bro.
39:10.0
Diretso, diretso.
39:12.0
Diretso gabi, pero
39:14.0
nakakatawa kasi yung mga Tulfo.
39:16.0
Actually, you know,
39:18.0
If you zoom out of that,
39:20.0
actually, if you put your academic lens
39:22.0
parang toxic masculinity yun.
39:24.0
Toxic masculinity yun. Pero
39:28.0
hindi ako maka-macho na tao,
39:32.0
Natatawa ako and I can't
39:34.0
explain why because even something
39:36.0
that I actually find toxic.
39:38.0
talaga naman dapat talagang binansinan
39:41.3
pagkataas nila nila pastangan si Raymond Santiago
39:44.5
pero the fact na kahit ako
39:47.6
I find it so toxic na dadala
39:51.9
real tool o charisma na
39:53.7
hindi natin madedenay
39:55.3
and if we don't try to explain it
39:57.8
we're going to miss out on
39:59.6
yung Filipino mentality
40:01.3
that really explains the electorate
40:03.6
kaya kailangan aralin
40:05.9
kailangan kumasa tayo
40:07.8
I mean the reason why
40:09.3
I like talking about
40:11.6
these issues to you
40:12.6
hindi kami tulphonatic
40:14.7
dami naman galit sa atin
40:15.8
tinawag ko ang toxic masculinity
40:19.0
and you can see where this conversation is going
40:22.0
as you know everything I did was to set up
40:23.8
the conversation for this
40:25.0
sa abandoned wares magsusuntukan din tayo
40:28.4
kukuha mo talaga yung tuwang ni Ben
40:39.5
how would you feel
40:42.2
if a tulpo would be a president
40:47.0
are you seriously worried about the prospect
40:52.6
kasi si Rafi medyo mellow down siya
40:54.7
he's nothing close to ayaw
40:57.1
and from my understanding of the interview
40:59.4
I had with him was
41:01.8
alam niya mag calibrate
41:10.0
ako I interviewed him in 2014
41:14.0
gumawa din ako ng isang article
41:15.0
for the Manila Review
41:17.0
and the conclusion
41:18.0
hindi ako abogado obviously
41:20.0
the conclusion I came out with is
41:22.0
has a legal education
41:23.0
and that's not because he's a lawyer
41:26.9
every time tumawag siya
41:27.9
tumawag yung mga tao sa kanya
41:28.9
kailangan niya aralin yung batas diba
41:31.9
ginagawa ko sa akin ng police
41:32.9
kailangan niya aralin yung batas diba
41:33.9
alam niya kung ano ba yung violation ng police
41:35.9
dahil pag tatawagan niya yung general
41:41.9
itong ordinansyang
41:44.9
people are going to try to debate with him
41:45.9
sir tama naman yung ginawa ko
41:46.9
and then he's going to have to rebut that diba
41:48.9
and so I told him
41:51.9
bakit ang dami niyo alam
41:56.9
again and again and again
41:57.9
so alam mo yung batas
41:59.9
one thing I'll say is that
42:02.9
he's not a lawyer
42:03.9
but I would classify him
42:05.9
legal practitioner
42:06.9
make of that what you will
42:08.9
but he's very competent
42:09.9
he's very competent in that sphere
42:11.9
and ay hindi ako sigurado that
42:13.9
the other Tulfos have that
42:14.9
kasi yung paulit ulit
42:16.9
yeah I think Rafi is a
42:17.9
kaya mo aralin yung mga ordinansyang
42:20.9
dahil may mga pananagutin ka eh
42:22.9
kaya yung magic kung nagkamali si Rafi doon
42:26.9
may erring na kapitan
42:34.9
violating the regulation
42:35.9
tapos mali yung regulation
42:36.9
napaya siya designer
42:39.9
I mean it's not like they didn't have mistakes
42:42.9
pero yung ganoon kasing big mistakes na talagang
42:46.9
mahirap yun for him eh
42:50.9
I'm kind of punting on the answer
42:52.9
all I'm saying is that
42:53.9
my insight with Rafi Tulpo
42:55.9
he has a legal education
42:57.9
he's a legal practitioner
42:58.9
I think your answer is
43:01.9
there's an underappreciation
43:04.9
yes there's a toxic masculinity factor
43:06.9
with the Tulpo brand
43:08.9
but each brother is
43:11.9
or different part
43:12.9
I mean in terms of
43:13.9
perching a different part of the spectrum
43:16.9
I mean my sense is
43:17.9
this is also a guy who's an evolving
43:21.9
an evolved figure
43:24.9
there's a consistency in terms
43:27.9
Tulpo style of visualizer
43:30.9
at the same time I see
43:31.9
some refinements going on there
43:34.9
kasi one of the attacks
43:35.9
that some people have
43:36.9
yung kaibigan ko si
43:39.9
attacking Tulpo e nalang
43:41.9
ang tanong ko lang naman
43:42.9
kay kaibigan ko is
43:45.9
let's compare him again
43:49.9
this guy is not a lawyer
43:52.9
and yet the guy is openly
43:54.9
essentially mass violence
43:58.9
you know overthrowing
43:59.9
constitutional order
44:05.9
na doon naman si Rafi at peace
44:06.9
I don't know about Erwin
44:07.9
I didn't ask him about Erwin
44:09.9
ibang isyo kasi DSW
44:10.9
siya secretary siya nun eh
44:13.9
are you in for due process
44:15.9
and I think his argument
44:16.9
was something along the lines
44:18.9
it's not me being against
44:20.9
it's me trying to plug in
44:21.9
the operational witnesses
44:23.9
in the system and all
44:24.9
although of course
44:25.9
he didn't say it in that way
44:26.9
but yun yung interpretation
44:27.9
ba nang sinasabi niya
44:28.9
again I think there was
44:30.9
hindi naman admission
44:32.9
but there was a kind of
44:37.9
minsan maybe in artful
44:41.9
ito yung intention
44:42.9
ito yung approach
44:45.9
to question the sincerity
44:47.9
kasi I know yung mga attacks
44:48.9
sa grandstanding yan
44:51.9
hindi ka pwede mag-epal
44:52.9
ng buong buhay mo
44:53.9
na consistently na
44:54.9
you're fighting for people
44:55.9
this is not about
44:56.9
some ex human rights lawyer
44:58.9
or ex ganyan ganyan
45:01.9
naghanap ka ng mga
45:02.9
high profile cases
45:04.9
para lang maraming irrelevant
45:05.9
this guy is dealing with
45:07.9
of everyday injustice
45:09.9
there are gonna be mistakes
45:11.9
one thousand cases
45:12.9
over a year or so
45:16.9
mga totoong kaso yun
45:17.9
mga totoong hinahing
45:22.9
mga labor rights violations
45:23.9
ang dalas na tumawag
45:27.9
domestic violence
45:30.9
these are actually
45:31.9
real everyday abuses
45:40.9
which is based on
45:41.9
an overblown drug specter
45:43.9
parang ang problema
45:46.9
merong mga drug zombies
45:48.9
yung buong lipunan
45:53.9
at pang araw araw e
45:55.9
hindi siya invento
45:58.9
nung binanatan niya
45:59.9
si Cynthia Villar
46:00.9
for land displacement
46:01.9
hindi naman invento yun
46:05.9
parang may similarities
46:07.9
pero oo kasi si Duterte
46:10.9
yung mga problema
46:17.9
of the Philippines
46:19.9
with drug addicts
46:26.9
sinungaling lang talaga
46:31.9
hindi naman siya gano'n
46:32.9
kung sinasabi si Socrates
46:33.9
hindi naman siya gano'n
46:34.9
they're demagogues
46:37.9
we're men of letters
46:40.9
when you think about it
46:44.9
were not against democracy
46:47.9
the tendency of democracy
46:50.9
zones of demagoguery
46:54.9
you need a more mature democracy
46:55.9
with some adjustment
46:58.9
was talking about
46:59.9
bringing in like a good
47:00.9
elite meritocratic system
47:03.9
so it's not true that
47:04.9
they were against democracy
47:07.9
correctly pointed out
47:08.9
the tendency of democracy
47:09.9
to go into this kind of
47:12.9
sensationalization
47:13.9
next thing you have
47:18.9
I think you have to
47:19.9
there's a tool for brand
47:20.9
which you can say
47:22.9
you said toxic masculinity
47:24.9
there's a demagoguery element
47:25.9
but there are also levels
47:29.9
we had an interview
47:37.9
lumalabas sa surveys
47:40.9
Tulfo very strong
47:47.9
for the next elections
47:49.9
the Dutertes are strong
47:52.9
itong dalawa na to
47:53.9
itong dalawang mokong na to
47:54.9
enabler na lang sila
47:55.9
kasi they just gave up
47:56.9
but if you look at it
47:57.9
are they independent
48:01.9
the old opposition
48:04.9
not putting it together
48:05.9
medyo na feeling ko
48:06.9
hindi ko naman sinasabi na
48:08.9
but they really have to do
48:09.9
a major rebranding
48:10.9
now as you can see
48:11.9
all of the conversation
48:12.9
over the past 45 minutes
48:13.9
was really to set the tone
48:16.9
who is really our inspiration
48:18.9
so before you accuse us
48:19.9
of being enablers
48:21.9
remember where we're coming from
48:25.9
I'm not a fan of Macron
48:26.9
I think he had a point
48:28.9
you have to take the world
48:30.9
and then try to effect change
48:32.9
you don't pretend
48:33.9
the world is otherwise
48:34.9
then effect change
48:35.9
then you just set yourself up
48:36.9
for disappointment
48:37.9
I completely agree with that
48:38.9
that kind of pragmatic idealism
48:40.9
and for everything you can say
48:42.9
I think that approach
48:44.9
at least on certain issues
48:45.9
let's talk about this
48:46.9
kasi you mentioned
48:47.9
toxic masculinity
48:48.9
there's the demagogy
48:51.9
when I was reading
48:52.9
El filibusterismo
48:53.9
the reason that's
48:54.9
one of my favorite novels
48:57.9
the Russian novels
48:58.9
all novels are nice
49:00.9
the Russian novels
49:01.9
were always political
49:03.9
I always loved them
49:04.9
whether it's Tordinev
49:05.9
whether it's Dostoyevsky
49:06.9
whether it's Tolstoy
49:09.9
almost at the same level
49:11.9
not only the aesthetic beauty
49:14.9
political pungence
49:15.9
that it had for me
49:16.9
speaking of Rizal
49:23.9
but at the same time
49:25.9
was a complete enough
49:26.9
man in his own era
49:28.9
to perhaps give us
49:31.9
that 50% of Filipinos
49:32.9
based on author research
49:33.9
who could be mobilized
49:34.9
for an alternative
49:35.9
we talked about Pita
49:37.9
even talk about Pita
49:38.9
when we had someone
49:39.9
like Rizal in our country
49:42.9
for a 21st century model
49:46.9
parang yung sabi nga natin
49:47.9
yung aspirational
49:48.9
aspirational naman si Rizal
49:50.9
kasi tingin mo si Rizal
49:55.9
sila yung nangasiwan
50:01.9
spoke multiple languages
50:08.9
didn't really have
50:10.9
close siya sa masa
50:11.9
pero yung appeal niya
50:15.9
kasi ang biggest fan niya
50:16.9
si Andres Bonifacio
50:17.9
who was actually master
50:18.9
he was lower middle class
50:21.9
talagang sinasamba siya
50:23.9
ng particular segment
50:26.9
lower middle class
50:32.9
nabiliblang talaga sila sa kanya
50:33.9
so meron nga talaga
50:34.9
tama ka meron nga talagang role
50:35.9
for aspirational politics
50:36.9
because Rizal is actually
50:37.9
an aspirational figure
50:42.9
and impressive person
50:43.9
and he was such a
50:50.9
but just speaking of
50:51.9
masculinity for instance
50:52.9
I think people always
50:53.9
tend to put Rizal
50:57.9
kind of a renaissance man
51:03.9
in his own way right
51:04.9
non-toxic macho man
51:06.9
I think he was very strong
51:10.9
gusto niyo panoorin yung
51:11.9
meron nang old episode
51:12.9
ng Basagan ng Trip
51:16.9
mapanood niyo yun
51:18.9
and we're gonna do
51:19.9
our own kind of a vlog
51:21.9
pinag-gear out namin
51:23.9
actually yung coach ko
51:24.9
how Rizal worked out
51:29.9
figure out what it was like
51:30.9
to work out like Rizal
51:31.9
you would do a lot of
51:33.9
but you would also do
51:35.9
really heavy lifting
51:36.9
and by heavy lifting
51:40.9
of a really heavy weight
51:41.9
hindi yung pampamacho
51:45.9
we know from sports science
51:46.9
that lifting from
51:48.9
gets you really strong
51:49.9
it gets you kind of big
51:50.9
but if you want to get big
51:52.9
the most efficient
51:53.9
the more efficient reps
51:54.9
and the more effective
51:56.9
are usually higher
51:57.9
so Rizal was actually
51:58.9
deceptively strong
51:59.9
kahit mapayet yan
52:01.9
and yung dumbell nya
52:03.9
minimum twenty kg
52:04.9
and he was probably
52:05.9
wrapping that out
52:08.9
yeah so twenty kg
52:12.9
hundred twenty thousand
52:13.9
something like that
52:14.9
maybe like wrapping
52:20.9
rough calculation
52:24.9
instructor for a company
52:27.6
that teaches mostly kettle dance
52:30.0
but others have also
52:31.6
And one of the quotations
52:35.2
na one of the things
52:36.5
that they remind their instructors
52:40.3
is strength has a higher purpose.
52:42.4
So we're not just strong
52:44.2
we're strong for other people.
52:46.3
babanggating ulit sa podcast natin,
52:49.1
sa next podcast natin,
52:50.3
may nag-resolution ako
52:51.4
ang resolution for 2024.
52:53.2
Walang matanda sa airport
52:55.0
na dun sa baggage claiming section,
52:59.5
walang matanda na
53:00.3
hindi ko tutulungan
53:01.9
Everytime makita ko,
53:02.8
ako yung magbubuhat
53:04.9
Resolution ko lang.
53:05.7
And you're teaching also
53:06.7
people that they're
53:08.9
And then once a week,
53:10.1
meron akong two or three
53:12.9
na tinutulungan ko
53:15.3
Matitas of California.
53:16.9
May tita ako ngayon
53:21.1
maybe 120 pounds.
53:25.3
we're having her deadlift
53:26.5
around 32 kg now.
53:28.2
So, it's not bad.
53:29.7
That's not bad, you know.
53:32.9
strength is for everyone.
53:33.8
Strength has a higher purpose.
53:35.6
And strength has a civic value.
53:38.6
I've been thinking about
53:40.0
because he thought about
53:41.0
strength as not just
53:41.9
individual strength
53:42.7
but as the strength
53:46.0
And hindi dapat natin
53:47.0
tinatalikuran niya
53:48.0
mga attributes niya
53:48.9
because we associate them
53:50.2
with masculinity, right?
53:51.9
Masculinity need not be
53:53.2
And certain traits
53:55.6
that we associate with men
53:58.1
need not be for men only.
54:00.3
Who is the great symbol
54:01.2
of Filipino physical strength?
54:03.3
Not a man, actually.
54:04.9
It's Hidilyn Diaz.
54:07.3
tita nyo na ba yung
54:10.2
Instagram ni Hidilyn
54:11.4
tsaka nung asawa niya?
54:14.1
because they have
54:17.2
maybe even five-year-olds
54:19.1
carrying heavy barbells.
54:21.8
They're doing like
54:24.6
six-year-olds doing like
54:29.7
Tapos syempre yung mga bobo
54:31.5
nagko-comment, nagko-comment.
54:34.4
hindi po ba mababansot
54:36.5
yung mga bata na yan?
54:37.9
Old news na yun, di ba?
54:39.4
Hindi naakabansot
54:42.9
19 kopong-kopong science.
54:44.9
Sasasabihin nyo yun
54:45.5
kay Hidilyn Diaz?
54:47.0
Sasasabihin nyo yun
54:47.8
kay Hidilyn Diaz?
54:52.2
Mag-cherry for you.
54:53.0
Mag-cherry na lang
54:53.4
kayo para tumangkat
54:57.2
hindi po ba mababansot
54:58.4
yung mga bata na yan?
55:01.4
Everybody should be strong.
55:06.9
everybody should be strong.
55:08.0
So that we can all
55:11.3
I was also part of civic duty.
55:13.4
A strong democracy
55:16.3
was also about having
55:18.4
robust citizens, right?
55:19.6
So the calisthenics
55:20.5
in the Prussian world
55:21.5
and the Scandinavians
55:22.4
had their own version.
55:23.0
But can you tell us
55:23.8
a little bit about that?
55:24.7
Because of course,
55:25.1
we'll discuss that more
55:27.0
But just for people
55:27.9
to have a preview
55:28.5
of what are the things
55:29.2
we're cooking up.
55:31.9
Yung gymnastic movement,
55:35.2
Yung German gymnastics,
55:36.7
big yun sa Germany.
55:38.6
a lot of the gymnastic
55:39.7
practitioners sa Germany,
55:42.5
during the two wars
55:43.6
because many of them
55:44.6
were actually pacifists.
55:47.3
ended up in the US.
55:50.9
yung German gymnastics.
55:53.0
lover of all things German.
55:55.4
German gymnastics.
55:57.3
gymnastics ngayon,
55:59.1
musti body weight.
56:01.6
gymnastics was more
56:02.6
like physical culture.
56:04.5
And that's a wonderful word,
56:06.6
physical culture.
56:07.5
Because yung embodiment,
56:12.8
It's a culture of lifting.
56:20.2
of being cultured
56:21.5
requires some skill.
56:26.9
I mostly just focus
56:31.6
because it's a skill.
56:32.8
Strength is a skill
56:33.7
and physical culture
56:34.8
is about the cultivation
56:36.0
of certain skills
56:39.2
society more broadly.
56:48.6
deceptive yung katuhan niya.
56:50.4
I'm much bigger than him
56:54.4
this is much heavier.
56:56.2
the Bruce Lee effect.
56:58.0
I know you wanna sleep
56:58.7
because maraming tingga
57:05.5
itong issue na ito
57:09.4
we discussed this
57:11.0
negative exceptionalism
57:13.0
parang parating natin
57:17.4
to make ourselves
57:20.9
a kind of a hopeless
57:23.0
Pinagtatawanan yung sarili
57:24.8
pinagtatawanan natin
57:27.2
like when I was posting
57:28.2
stuff about the latest
57:29.9
like Philippines and all.
57:32.7
Naghanap ako na angle
57:33.8
para shut up yung mga
57:35.3
Kasi there were actually
57:36.4
ay parang medyo malit
57:40.6
It's just an angle issue.
57:44.7
yung mga makapili
57:47.6
na digong style na yan.
57:49.8
Wala naman tayong
57:51.7
I found some pictures
57:56.2
yung mga warships natin
57:59.3
So, yung mga BTS fans
58:02.3
I'm mentioning this is,
58:05.3
and always the accusation
58:12.4
a very complete man
58:17.3
a little bit about that?
58:18.4
that is the mentality
58:20.8
If you want to make
58:24.6
in the 21st century.
58:25.7
And when I say legit,
58:27.0
I mean it in a pedestrian
58:27.9
sense of capable,
58:31.1
Not a superpower,
58:36.0
But a kind of a country
58:38.2
it's 10 million people
58:39.1
but they're not a pushover.
58:40.4
They have been on their own
58:42.6
Dahil lang sa katangahan
58:47.6
capable countries
58:49.8
Sweden to the NATO.
58:50.9
But, you get what I'm saying?
58:55.5
fundamental cultural
58:58.9
negative exceptionalist
59:00.1
and self-defeating
59:04.0
and his legacy is
59:06.2
be an antithesis to.
59:09.6
because even with Rizal,
59:11.9
overcompensating,
59:15.0
So, di na down pa natin
59:17.1
who's like one of
59:17.8
our greatest guys.
59:19.4
what do you have to say
59:21.3
Kasi may kinalaman din
59:22.2
neto sa West Philippines
59:23.9
Because if we don't feel
59:25.1
we can hold our own,
59:26.4
then loser talaga tayo.
59:37.1
I guess technically,
59:37.9
hindi na ako technically
59:39.3
pero dati OFW ako
59:42.2
in terms of where I am,
59:44.8
I'm an overseas Filipino
59:45.9
working in the United States.
59:49.8
let's just keep to ourselves
59:52.0
kasi if makisilimuha tayo
59:54.4
dun sa broader society
59:55.7
kung saan tayo nakatela,
59:57.1
we won't measure up.
59:59.2
within Filipino enclaves.
60:01.0
Ganyan din ako initially
60:01.9
nung sudyante ako,
60:03.5
puno mga Pilipino lang
60:04.6
para hindi ako mapahiya,
60:06.0
Para I'm only in my comfort zone.
60:08.3
there's a kind of insecurity there.
60:10.4
I think yung next step,
60:12.8
more global Filipinos.
60:14.1
Yung next step dyan
60:16.6
into other communities
60:20.2
not be insecure na
60:22.2
makapag-uusap sa mga puti?
60:24.8
kaya ko bang ano?
60:26.6
Kaya ko ba silang debatihin?
60:28.0
Kaya ko ba magtrabaho with them?
60:32.2
May ganyan laging insecurity.
60:34.5
And I see it all the time
60:37.0
keeping to themselves
60:39.0
kahit nag-abroad na sila,
60:40.8
hindi pa rin nila
60:44.2
And I think we should really
60:45.4
end that kind of mentality
60:49.2
on our cosmopolitanism.
60:50.7
yung sagot ko napaka-naro.
60:53.4
it's a very experienced
60:55.3
All the experience
60:56.9
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
60:58.1
cause my cousins also are like
60:59.6
overseas Filipinos
61:01.2
and their issue was,
61:02.6
one of them is like,
61:04.2
ang daming Pilipino
61:05.0
kunyari dito sa Espanya
61:07.3
wala pong Pilipino restaurant.
61:09.2
they rather work for
61:09.9
another restaurant
61:10.7
in Thailand or whatever.
61:12.4
Kasi you need a certain
61:15.2
I'm gonna go on my own.
61:18.2
gaya yung restaurant na siya
61:19.5
ngayon na Pilipino,
61:25.7
Cause Filipinos did not
61:29.2
Filipino restaurant
61:35.2
kaya ba talaga natin
61:36.5
Until there's this one
61:38.2
dito sa atisami dito,
61:39.4
si Chef Francis Ang,
61:40.5
galing talaga ang Pilipinas,
61:42.4
I'll put up an expensive
61:43.9
Filipino restaurant
61:53.0
sa San Francisco.
61:54.3
And it's really great,
61:55.1
it's fine dining,
61:56.2
Halawa naman, guys,
61:59.9
yung maganda dun,
62:01.0
dun ako first time
62:02.5
certain Moro dishes.
62:08.3
hindi pa sa Manila.
62:09.0
Puta Manilenyo ako,
62:10.1
di ba ako nakakain
62:11.6
My weakness is regional foods.
62:13.5
Whether my people,
62:20.9
I really, really appreciate that.
62:23.7
what you're saying is,
62:26.8
where did we go wrong?
62:27.8
I know we wanna finish
62:28.6
this episode and all,
62:30.6
where did we go wrong
62:31.5
and how are we going right?
62:32.5
So, I think you already
62:33.1
gave us some answers
62:34.1
about where we're going right.
62:35.8
where did we go wrong
62:37.4
etong lost sense of,
62:40.0
because look at these,
62:42.7
technically not even
62:44.3
considered as full humans.
62:46.1
Because they're just
62:46.8
colonial subjects.
62:48.2
And look at the audacity
62:53.3
with the Germans,
62:54.9
with the English people,
63:05.5
and I know yung typical
63:06.8
parang nationalist
63:09.4
kasi the colonizers
63:11.6
insecurity complex
63:15.5
insecurity complexes
63:20.0
Consider the Koreans,
63:22.0
Colonized by the Japanese.
63:24.3
an insecure people?
63:26.1
Kasi umaman sila eh.
63:28.0
I think isang solusyon
63:38.5
you think about yourself.
63:40.3
mayama naman talaga tayo.
63:41.6
I think we need to get
63:44.9
that we're reaching
63:50.1
as we get richer.
63:51.6
we also have to acknowledge
63:53.9
I really appreciate
63:54.7
yung mga picture mo
63:58.4
I'm very conscious
64:00.2
hindi naman sinungalingan.
64:02.1
I've been to those warships.
64:03.5
I've seen the side
64:04.4
of the Philippines
64:05.0
which is on the move.
64:06.7
that's why I really
64:07.3
appreciate this conversation.
64:12.5
Korea is a good example
64:13.5
because it's a jiu-jitsu case.
64:20.8
they're super competitive.
64:23.5
that's a perfect example.
64:25.5
You can weaponize
64:27.5
The weapon of the weak.
64:31.2
they're still poor
64:32.7
when they overtook UK
64:33.7
as the fourth largest economy,
64:36.9
fifth largest economy,
64:40.6
it's very conceivable
64:41.6
within a few years
64:43.2
bigger GDP than Spain.
64:44.4
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
64:45.1
One of our former colonizers.
64:46.5
Medyo mahirap ang US.
64:49.5
in certain areas.
64:50.2
And if you go to Spain
64:51.4
a lot of billionaire
64:52.1
Filipinos have big towers
64:55.3
so I'm just saying,
64:56.1
we need more of this
64:58.2
kind of pioneers,
64:59.8
Filipino pioneers.
65:01.4
let's just go for it.
65:04.1
your house is a special place
65:06.0
you have someone like
65:06.7
Patricia Invalista
65:08.0
on Obama's list of books,
65:09.7
You have someone like
65:11.0
who is like a global
65:13.7
laglan mo na lahat
65:21.3
promote your house
65:27.7
I'm just kidding.
65:31.7
in your own little ways.
65:33.5
Di ba yung mga sundalo
65:34.5
lagi lang ginagamit
65:37.1
na fellow sundalo
65:39.8
I didn't know that.
65:42.3
iba pag may hineral
65:45.2
hineral na yung tagapiling
65:48.0
it's such a nice word.
65:49.1
Hindi ko siya mapaliwanag
65:50.1
kung ano siya yung tikas.
65:51.4
Pero kailangan natin
65:57.3
I know you're super tired.
65:58.3
This is not your hour.
66:00.8
I'm a man na ako.
66:06.9
magpapalpitin sa coffee.
66:08.2
Thank you so much, Lelo.
66:09.6
If people have questions
66:10.8
please just post it.
66:13.5
whether live or sometime
66:14.8
when he has the time
66:16.4
May ilang araw pa si Richard
66:18.4
I'll just give you a talk
66:20.6
Thank you so much, Lelo.
66:22.7
God bless and have a good sleep.
66:27.6
May men ako sa kanila.
66:29.3
tuloy pa ako sa mga
66:30.0
West Philippine discussions.
66:32.0
Thank you so much.
66:32.9
huwag nyo lighting na siya.
66:33.7
May magulo ko muhok.
66:36.4
para ayosin tong muhok na
66:38.3
kung ginamit natin.
66:39.3
But on that note,
66:40.7
thank you very much, guys.
66:42.0
I hope na appreciate nyo
66:43.5
makulit namin discussions.
66:46.4
yung range of discussions.
66:51.5
these discussions.
66:52.5
And you can also see
66:53.5
na we're constantly
66:56.3
yung mga basic assumptions
66:59.4
to forward questions
67:01.1
Baka we can still
67:01.9
make some vlogs on it.
67:07.1
time zone difference natin
67:11.6
under the current conditions.
67:13.2
thank you very much.
67:14.4
And talk to you soon.
