00:51.6
and of course, destroying the Onizamay-4.
00:56.2
Right now, it's no longer seaworthy. It has to pass through so much renovation para maayos pa siya.
01:04.0
And is there a significant change in China's strategy or are we seeing just a darker version of China's gray zone strategy?
01:14.6
Because we keep on saying China employs gray zone strategy.
01:17.5
They don't want to get into an actual fight or armed conflict.
01:20.5
But what we're seeing right now is injury of Filipino troops and servicemen.
01:24.4
So what's going on here?
01:26.2
I think the best way for us to illustrate what's really happening now is that instead of looking into whether it's this gray or they're wanting to go black now,
01:38.4
because the mere fact that we're using transparency as a way to expose this, not as a gray strategy, but as an outright, illegal, provocative action.
01:49.3
So I think we have been very successful in saying that these are not gray.
01:56.2
This is actually an outright illegal action that the Chinese Coast Guard or Chinese Maritime Militia has been doing before.
02:03.3
Since we launched the transparency strategy from February until this year, until the end of the year,
02:09.8
our narrative of a David and Goliath because of the transparency strategy has become very successful.
02:16.5
I mean, more countries now are standing up beside the Philippine government in criticizing and exposing.
02:26.2
Chinese aggressive action.
02:28.4
And if we're going to differentiate, is the transparency strategy still considered to be effective now that the David and Goliath appears to be, you know,
02:40.7
China becoming more aggressive and never hesitate to really stand up and become more Goliath in harassing and bullying David?
02:50.1
Are we still very effective with the transparency strategy?
02:53.2
Well, my response to that question is,
02:56.8
The mere fact that China no longer hesitated to remove their pretension of being a benevolent nation
03:04.4
or a country that will be a responsible power once it becomes a greater one than the United States,
03:12.5
we have removed that mask of pretension.
03:15.3
We show the international community that look at China.
03:19.2
They are really using so much level of aggression, so much level of force for them to,
03:26.2
bully around their intention of dominating a smaller country like the Philippines.
03:33.9
And for me, it's a success story.
03:36.9
The mere fact that China is, you know, using all this kind of aggression for countries in the region to be silenced
03:47.6
and not to use the same transparency strategy just like what the Philippines has been doing for almost more than a year.
03:56.2
So, do you think that China is also having a hard time in the sense that they are thinking twice about what can happen in the Philippines?
04:07.7
Well, for me, Richard, they are thinking twice in a way that they don't know what they are going to do in the Philippines.
04:16.8
I always say, from the time that they occupied the islands in the South China Sea
04:24.8
that has been occupied by the Philippines, it's been a long time.
04:26.2
It's been a long time since the Philippines has been unoccupied before.
04:27.8
One good example, from 1995, Mischief Reef incident.
04:32.1
They took up Mischief Reef from us without firing a single shot.
04:36.4
2012, fast forward, the same thing.
04:40.4
They took control of Scarborough Shoal without firing a single shot as well.
04:45.2
From 2013 to 2017, they have completed ang reclamation activities nila without using military action.
04:56.2
they have changed the status quo sa buong South China Sea
04:59.6
without actually deploying or being engaged to a more militaristic approach.
05:06.8
So, ngayon, pagdating ni President Bongbong Marcos,
05:11.3
it was a completely different strategy that they may be needing.
05:15.4
We also have to understand the fact that from 2016 to 2022,
05:19.9
iba naman ang naging approach ng dating administration.
05:21.9
More on diplomatic, more on, you know,
05:26.2
serious relationship with President Xi Jinping.
05:29.4
Pero hindi naman nasuklian ng talagang in-expect natin na mas matahimik,
05:33.3
mapayapang West Philippine Sea.
05:35.2
But for this time around,
05:37.3
this is the first time that a small country in Southeast Asia
05:41.1
has stood up and exposed Chinese aggression
05:44.9
and told, tell the world that all of this,
05:48.6
these are not gray zone activities.
05:50.3
These are illegal actions that needs to be criticized
05:56.2
Like-minded states who really cares for the rules-based order.
06:00.3
Otherwise, powerful countries or rising power like China
06:04.2
will just, you know, set aside the established international rules-based order.
06:10.7
At hindi lang tayo maapektuhan nito, but even the region.
06:14.3
So, for China to be able to silence the Philippines,
06:18.6
whether through information operation
06:20.6
or heightening the level of tension,
06:23.5
they're actually having a hard time now.
06:26.2
you can also notice this, Richard, no?
06:28.4
Mas tumataas ang number ng trolls,
06:30.9
mas tumataas ang deployment nila dito ng Chinese Coast Guard
06:33.6
at Chinese Maritime Militia.
06:35.6
It is worth mentioning, no?
06:37.3
Na during the time,
06:38.3
I think it was like last week,
06:40.5
or I mean last month,
06:42.3
the AMTI, Gregory Pauling,
06:44.5
released a report
06:45.6
that more Chinese Maritime Militia vessels
06:49.0
and Chinese Coast Guard
06:50.0
has been deployed
06:51.1
compared to the previous administration.
06:55.6
kailangan pa nilang galingan eh
06:57.6
para ma-prevent ang Philippine government
06:59.6
to do whatever we're doing
07:02.5
in maintaining our presence in the West Philippine Sea.
07:05.3
The same thing with the trolls, no?
07:06.9
Ang argument ng ibang media personalities,
07:10.4
do I really believe na ang transparency still works?
07:13.8
Considering na mas tumataas daw ang bilang ng trolls,
07:16.9
considering na nagpupuliparate ang fake news,
07:20.4
despite of the transparency strategy that we're doing.
07:23.3
Again, my response to that is, of course,
07:25.1
China doesn't really know what to do right now.
07:27.9
How can they be able to silence this administration
07:33.6
convince us to follow their narrative?
07:36.7
Pero hindi ba mas nakatakot pag ganyan
07:38.7
yung cornered beast ng China?
07:40.6
Baka gagawa sila ng mas marahas na bagay
07:43.1
or more violent strategies?
07:46.0
Are you worried about the risk of this getting out of control?
07:48.8
Or do you think na fearmongering lang yung mga ganyan diskusyon?
07:52.2
I think that's different.
07:55.1
We cannot also say na they are cornered beasts.
07:59.1
I think you can fairly say na masasabi mong
08:02.1
ang isang cornered beast has something to do with their own
08:05.9
national security, their economic survival.
08:10.1
Pero dito, hindi naman, it doesn't,
08:12.9
it doesn't, what we are doing of exposing their illegal actions
08:17.9
doesn't define their national survival.
08:20.6
What defines here is we are just exposing
08:25.1
their illegal aggression.
08:26.1
So, we cannot say na they are a cornered beast.
08:30.8
What we can do here is that we are telling the beast
08:35.3
na for you to be able to be considered
08:39.3
as somebody that can go along with other beasts,
08:43.6
you have to abide with the international law.
08:46.1
You have to fall in line
08:47.4
and you should not bully your way out
08:49.7
to justify your action.
08:51.9
Now, for the sake of argument,
08:53.2
ano yung sinasabi ng China na meron?
08:55.1
Ano daw silang gentleman's agreement sa dating administration
08:57.7
na ang Pilipinas daw yung provokator,
09:00.4
tayo daw yung pasaway,
09:02.4
eh sila naman daw,
09:03.2
sumusunod naman sila sa mga agreements nila
09:05.6
with the previous administration.
09:06.9
Anong understanding na sa Philippine Coast Guard
09:08.5
when it comes to the gentleman's agreement?
09:10.5
Alam mo, kung ako lang,
09:13.2
I mean, I'm just a Coast Guard officer, you know.
09:16.2
The way I understand it,
09:17.6
the commander-in-chief,
09:19.3
the chief architect of our foreign policy
09:21.9
has already spoken.
09:25.1
he's not aware of such gentleman's agreement,
09:28.4
but if there was any,
09:31.0
he is already rescinding it.
09:32.8
He said that last year already,
09:35.7
may mga tao lang na gustong ibalik-balik itong issue na to, eh.
09:39.0
Kung baga, we're stuck in that debate,
09:41.5
whether there was really a secret deal,
09:43.8
there was a new model,
09:45.5
whatsoever na sinasabi nila,
09:47.3
but the mere objective of this kind of fake news
09:50.0
is only to sow discord and disunity
09:52.5
among the Filipino people.
09:55.1
ito lang naman tayo nitong mga to.
09:56.8
So, once and for all,
09:58.5
for the Philippine Coast Guard,
10:00.7
the National Government Agencies,
10:02.5
and the National Task Force West Philippine Sea,
10:06.1
itong mga issue ng gentleman's agreement
10:07.8
na nilalabas nila,
10:09.2
this is part of their propaganda.
10:11.2
We don't have to spend so much time, no,
10:13.5
to try to explain our position.
10:15.6
The presence has already spoken,
10:18.2
That's already the end line of this argument.
10:25.1
what do you think will be China's next move?
10:28.8
Magre-recalibrate pa sila?
10:30.8
do you think they're just gonna keep on doing the same thing
10:32.9
until they'll get different results?
10:37.3
my interpretation is,
10:38.4
they were very affected by the term bully, right?
10:41.2
I never saw China na ganyan yung response sila,
10:43.5
na hindi kami bully,
10:44.5
very defensive sila.
10:45.8
Mukhang natamaan talaga sila dun sa,
10:48.3
the way they came off as very aggressive and bullying.
10:51.9
what's your understanding there?
10:55.5
the Chinese government,
10:58.2
and then if you're going to ask
10:59.8
how the National Task Force West Philippine Sea
11:02.7
will respond to whatever recalibration
11:05.0
that they're going to do,
11:08.2
we can see naman eh,
11:09.3
what are the changes now compared before
11:11.7
sa nagiging approach nila with our transparency.
11:15.0
They're just basically increasing their information operation.
11:18.6
They're just engaging more trolls
11:20.3
to counter our factual narrative.
11:26.1
calibrated approach of China
11:28.1
in countering the transparency strategy,
11:31.1
ang sabi nga ni NSA,
11:32.2
this is very easy for the national government to respond to.
11:35.3
We're just going to keep on telling the truth.
11:38.8
We're just going to continuously embed
11:40.9
foreign journalists to be our truth tellers,
11:44.0
to tell the world what's really happening.
11:46.2
And this is the reason kung bakit ang China
11:49.9
not even the Chinese.
11:51.9
not just even the People's Republic of China,
11:54.3
but even their pro-China trolls are saying na
11:59.1
ang mga media daw na ini-embed natin
12:01.9
are actually the reason why
12:03.7
China is being provoked.
12:06.2
this is what we're going to continue doing.
12:09.4
ang sinisayawang nangyari dito is
12:10.6
parang ginagaslight tayo ng China.
12:12.9
Parang tayong sinisisi for doing what's right.
12:15.8
Sinisisi ang mga media
12:16.9
for reporting the truth.
12:19.1
So, this is a classic case of gaslighting.
12:22.4
just for the purpose of education,
12:24.1
siguro kasi yung mga ibang kaubayan natin
12:25.7
hindi pa rin nila nag-gets.
12:27.9
Ano yung division of labor
12:29.3
sa pagitan ng Philippine Coast Guard
12:31.0
tsaka yung Philippine Navy?
12:32.9
Diba, yung Philippine Navy naman daw
12:34.6
yung gumagawa ng resupply.
12:36.1
For instance, dun sa Ayung Insul.
12:37.7
Diba, sila yung may
12:38.7
may obligasyon or mandato
12:41.4
na protektaan yung ating karagatan.
12:44.2
What is the coordination
12:45.3
between the Philippine Coast Guard
12:46.5
and Philippine Navy?
12:47.4
And is it evolving over time?
12:51.4
Ano yung division of labor nangyari dyan?
12:52.9
Well, first of all,
12:57.8
deploying White House
13:00.4
is not something that happened overnight.
13:03.5
And it's not something that we can just
13:05.1
attribute to President Bobo Marcos.
13:10.0
of the deployment of
13:11.9
Coast Guard vessels
13:13.0
started and goes back
13:15.0
during the time of President Noy Noy Aquino.
13:17.9
Of course, there was a standoff
13:20.6
the propaganda of the Chinese
13:23.9
we are militarizing
13:28.2
of fishery law enforcement
13:30.4
when the Philippine Navy decided
13:32.3
to board one of the Chinese
13:34.5
fishing vessel in Bajo de Masinlo
13:36.4
and that resulted to
13:37.9
a standoff. That was
13:40.2
2012. And then 2013,
13:46.4
the importance of deploying white ships
13:48.3
instead. That was also the
13:50.3
reason why when he went to Japan
13:53.9
that's his first request
13:56.1
to Prime Minister Abe
13:57.1
to support the Philippine government
13:59.0
for the acquisition of Coast Guard vessels.
14:01.3
That's the 1044-meter vessels
14:04.5
and of course, the 297-meter vessel.
14:08.2
During the time of President Aquino,
14:10.1
there are two main reasons
14:11.2
why he did that. Of course,
14:12.7
learning what happened from the Scarborough Shoal standoff,
14:16.4
the Chinese propaganda
14:17.5
of not militarizing
14:20.9
And second is the regional norm.
14:23.9
You also have to understand the fact
14:25.2
that it's not just
14:26.8
the Philippine Coast Guard
14:28.7
that is being deployed in the South China Sea.
14:31.4
You can also find the Vietnamese Coast Guard,
14:33.8
Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency,
14:35.9
or the Malaysian Coast Guard,
14:37.5
and also in Natuna Island
14:38.8
with Indonesia also having trouble
14:42.7
that they are deploying Bacamla,
14:44.5
a white ship as well.
14:46.2
So this is the regional norm that nobody is going
14:48.7
to militarize the South China Sea.
14:51.4
This is primarily the reason
14:53.9
the Coast Guard vessels have been deployed
14:55.8
during the time of President Aquino.
14:58.5
And then, came President Duterte's time,
15:01.5
that's the time na
15:02.4
nagdatingin naman ang mga barko natin
15:05.3
And to be fair with President Duterte,
15:08.1
he has also relied on the Philippine Coast Guard
15:10.2
vessels to be deployed.
15:11.8
Tulay-tulay yung modernization.
15:12.8
Yes, and modernization of the Coast Guard
15:14.8
during the time of President Duterte.
15:17.2
And also, right now, during the time of President
15:21.2
So that explains why Coast Guard is
15:23.9
being deployed in the West Philippine Sea.
15:26.5
But, we should not also
15:28.2
discount the fact
15:30.3
that the Philippine Navy
15:31.6
or the Armed Forces of the Philippines,
15:33.9
they are actually playing a much more
15:36.0
important role than the Philippine Coast Guard.
15:38.3
Ako, sinasabi ko nga lagi sa Richard eh.
15:40.6
For the Philippine Coast Guard,
15:41.8
we can just, you know, carry out,
15:44.1
maintain our presence in the West Philippine Sea.
15:46.8
But when we talk about
15:48.0
the territorial defense,
15:49.8
when we talk about the hard security
15:53.9
these are warships
15:55.2
of the Philippine Navy
15:56.3
or the fighter planes
15:57.6
of the Philippine Air Force.
15:59.5
This is something
16:00.4
that the Philippine Coast Guard
16:01.5
will never take away
16:02.7
from the Armed Forces of the Philippines.
16:04.9
When we talk of defense and security,
16:07.2
that's actually for the Armed Forces
16:08.8
of the Philippines.
16:10.0
But when we talk about
16:11.2
maritime governance
16:12.0
and maintaining our presence
16:13.4
in our own exclusive economic zone,
16:16.6
then the Philippine Coast Guard
16:17.7
can perform this kind of roles.
16:19.9
So meron kayong optimal coordination
16:22.0
pagdating sa defense,
16:23.9
so for territory waters
16:24.9
and sovereign rights.
16:25.9
Well, the National Task Force
16:27.3
West Philippine Sea
16:28.4
is a very effective interagency task force
16:31.9
chaired by the National Security Advisor,
16:34.7
Jea Eduardo Año.
16:36.2
Being a former Chief of Staff,
16:38.3
being a former DILG Secretary,
16:41.9
he has a much more,
16:44.6
very diverse appreciation
16:46.5
of how he can mix
16:51.1
maritime law enforcement
16:53.9
you know, military
16:54.9
and also in engaging
16:56.4
other government agencies.
16:59.4
under Jea Eduardo Año
17:01.7
for the National Task Force,
17:03.4
he's very effective
17:04.4
in having a whole-of-nation approach
17:06.9
in addressing the issue
17:08.8
in the West Philippine Sea.
17:10.9
Pwede pa kayo explain?
17:12.0
Ano itong whole-of-nation approach?
17:13.4
Ang ibig sabihin niyan,
17:14.3
hindi lang yung gobyerno,
17:15.4
iba't ibang ahensya ng gobyerno,
17:16.7
pero involved din dapat
17:17.8
yung taong bayan,
17:19.0
civil society groups?
17:20.1
Well, one good example of this is,
17:26.7
publicize a particular incident,
17:29.7
namimislok ng mga tao,
17:32.1
lahat ng sinasabi ko sa media,
17:35.5
something na decided
17:36.6
by the Philippine Coast Guard.
17:38.1
We have to understand the fact
17:40.1
the National Task Force
17:41.5
West Philippine Sea,
17:42.8
there are a lot of
17:43.6
information work,
17:44.6
there are a lot of working groups.
17:46.7
the information working group
17:48.0
that's actually chaired by,
17:50.4
the Presidential Communication Office.
17:52.9
for a particular incident
17:54.7
to be publicized,
17:56.2
it has to pass through
17:58.2
of that information working group.
18:01.3
within that group,
18:02.2
you have to deal with
18:03.0
the Department of Justice,
18:04.4
the Department of National Defense,
18:05.9
the Department of Transportation,
18:07.3
Armed Forces of the Philippines,
18:19.1
on all those information
18:20.6
that I would decide to,
18:22.6
that I would present
18:26.5
all of these agencies
18:28.5
to obtain a certain objective,
18:31.7
more of informational,
18:33.9
whether it's diplomatic,
18:35.8
or even the economic side
18:38.1
are also presented
18:39.0
to the National Task Force
18:40.1
West Philippine Sea.
18:43.4
a military approach,
18:46.4
but you also have
18:47.9
the diplomatic approach,
18:49.8
the law enforcement approach,
18:51.2
even the economic,
18:54.7
West Philippine Sea strategy
18:56.0
are all discussed
18:57.5
within the National Task Force.
18:60.0
yung ganyang coordination?
19:01.6
in terms of responses?
19:08.0
Why is the coordination
19:09.0
part very important?
19:12.0
in the National Task Force
19:13.0
West Philippine Sea
19:14.0
is our relationship
19:16.8
with the People's Republic
19:18.7
is not only limited
19:21.7
in the West Philippine Sea.
19:24.5
that are entangled
19:25.5
with our relationship
19:29.8
diplomatic relationship
19:32.7
economic and trade
19:34.0
relationship with China.
19:36.4
has to be considered
19:39.2
it's not just China.
19:45.7
So all of these things
19:47.1
being discussed there
19:54.6
yung Philippine Coast Guard
19:57.9
The reason pinag-usapan natin
19:59.9
coordination is because
20:00.9
may stereotype na
20:01.7
ah, Philippine government,
20:05.4
So maganda na na-explain
20:07.3
there's tremendous amount
20:09.3
pagdating sa response.
20:10.2
And it looks fast enough
20:11.4
kasi wala pang ilang oras
20:14.8
nakikita na namin
20:15.4
yung mga drone shots
20:16.4
na sa-share namin
20:17.9
nakikita natin yan.
20:18.6
So that is a testament
20:21.0
efficiency and coherence
20:22.3
as far as interagency
20:23.6
coordination is concerned.
20:26.0
pwede natin balikan.
20:27.5
kasi pagdating sa
20:28.2
Philippine Coast Guard,
20:30.6
base dun sa aking,
20:32.1
whenever I share something
20:34.5
ang mga kaubayan natin
20:37.2
yung mga bago natin.
20:39.4
from Philippine Navy.
20:42.8
made in Korea yan,
20:45.6
mayroon tayong mga stereotype
20:49.5
I think in terms of
20:51.4
I think they have done
20:52.9
and na-share ko rin
20:54.8
pagdating sa capacity
20:55.8
na capability sila.
20:57.0
And lalong-lalong na
20:58.1
ng joint patrols.
21:00.2
may mga barko din tayo maganda,
21:01.8
hindi yung mga kulay-alat lang.
21:06.1
the David versus Goliath game
21:08.0
kung mukha may laban ka.
21:10.1
let's not forget,
21:12.3
if you follow the statue,
21:17.7
good-looking guy.
21:23.3
pero may laban ka.
21:24.6
pagdating sa Philippine Navy
21:26.5
the reason I'm explaining
21:27.5
is because may separate
21:29.0
with Philippine Navy,
21:30.6
people from National Security Council.
21:32.5
Can you tell us a little bit
21:33.7
about Philippine Coast Guard?
21:35.5
Yung size ng ating mga barko,
21:38.2
how does it compare
21:39.2
with what we had before,
21:40.6
but also how it compares
21:42.9
Kasi may mga guests tayo
21:44.5
especially may other programs
21:46.3
the Philippine Coast Guard
21:48.0
went from almost non-existent
21:50.6
to actually the leading
21:52.3
Coast Guard force in ASEAN.
21:54.1
Some would put it that way.
21:55.7
What is the real score
21:56.8
pagdating sa Philippine Coast Guard
21:58.1
to the degree that you can share
21:59.3
now in the confidential?
22:01.6
para malaman nila,
22:03.8
Hindi lang yung Philippine Navy,
22:04.7
but yung Philippine Coast Guard.
22:05.9
for the Philippine Coast Guard,
22:08.8
we are the David.
22:10.7
Still good-looking,
22:12.2
with a nice tone of muscle.
22:16.3
as big as the Goliath.
22:20.6
with nice-toned muscle.
22:22.8
ang mga barko natin,
22:23.9
hindi naman ito second-hand.
22:25.4
All of our vessels
22:27.6
All of these vessels
22:31.5
That's the 1044-meter vessels.
22:33.8
That's the 297 meters
22:37.2
we also have French vessels.
22:40.4
ito yung tinatawag natin,
22:42.8
and also the 24-meter vessels.
22:44.6
Ito yung mga flagship
22:46.7
ang flagship na natin
22:47.6
na masasabi ng Coast Guard
22:48.9
are the biggest vessels
22:51.5
That's the 97-meter.
22:55.0
and Melchor Aquino.
22:57.5
Puro mga papayang pangalan.
22:58.9
that's really something.
23:00.5
that's really something, right?
23:03.5
Hindi lang, David,
23:06.4
But if you're going to compare it
23:12.9
limitation of logistics,
23:15.1
we cannot always,
23:16.3
we can't always deploy
23:19.0
and the 83-meters.
23:21.7
from the resupply mission,
23:23.3
we're always only deploying
23:25.0
the 44-meter vessels.
23:27.8
the 44-meter vessels,
23:29.5
ito yung nakikita nila,
23:34.7
kung makita nilang malaki,
23:40.9
Chinese Coast Guard vessels.
23:43.2
the 97-meter vessel,
23:44.9
they can still deploy
23:45.9
100-meter vessels.
23:55.1
and they are still
23:56.8
because they have
23:58.7
they have more number
24:01.9
two 44-meter vessels
24:03.2
to support the resupply mission.
24:05.8
somewhere between
24:08.2
Chinese Coast Guard vessels
24:09.4
ang ide-deploy nila instead.
24:11.3
But if you're going to
24:22.1
the lives of people,
24:24.8
you're not a Coast Guard
24:25.6
organization already.
24:34.6
the Chinese Coast Guard.
24:38.6
kung retaryo lang,
24:39.9
sinisayang mo dito,
24:40.5
fake yung Coast Guard nila,
24:41.7
na talagang parang
24:43.4
Well, definitely.
24:44.1
Papanggap lang na mukhang
24:44.8
mabait lang na Coast Guard?
24:46.3
there were even reports
24:47.5
that some of the retired
24:49.3
PLA Navy warships
24:50.9
were just basically
24:54.4
to the Chinese Coast Guard.
24:56.8
and also the structure itself,
24:59.4
Chinese Military Commission.
25:03.0
we cannot really say
25:04.1
that the Coast Guard
25:06.3
for the Philippines,
25:12.0
with the identity
25:12.9
of what the China
25:16.5
ang sinisayang mo,
25:17.0
you scratch a Chinese Coast Guard,
25:18.8
you'll get a Chinese Navy.
25:20.7
I mean, literally.
25:23.0
kung nilulayan lang nila yan,
25:27.3
ano yung operational
25:28.2
implication na ito?
25:30.0
dealing with China,
25:31.0
you have to modernize
25:31.8
the Philippine Navy,
25:32.7
you have to modernize
25:33.4
the Philippine Coast Guard,
25:34.5
the two have to coordinate more.
25:38.5
of joint Coast Guard patrols
25:40.9
that we have to look
25:42.1
Kasi meron tayong mga
25:43.6
ng Philippine Navy,
25:44.4
with the U.S. Navy,
25:45.6
with the Japanese-Australian Navy.
25:50.4
I remember last year
25:51.2
was June or July,
25:52.2
meron tayong first trilateral
25:53.7
with Japan and U.S.
25:56.3
sa South China Sea area.
25:57.8
But are you looking at
25:58.5
that also as emerging
26:00.1
I know it's a policy question,
26:01.4
maybe it's beyond
26:02.6
but from your understanding,
26:04.7
put your scholarly hat
26:06.0
as a security expert,
26:07.3
do you think that could be
26:08.3
also the direction of things?
26:09.5
Because ang sinisayang mo is,
26:10.9
deviant yung China,
26:12.1
to put it nicely.
26:14.0
They're violating
26:15.2
every basic principle
26:16.4
of what a Coast Guard
26:17.2
should stand for,
26:19.1
international law.
26:20.3
On a one-to-one basis,
26:25.5
really a real Coast Guard.
26:28.2
multilateral response,
26:34.4
trilateral Coast Guard
26:37.3
the U.S. Coast Guard,
26:38.4
the Japanese Coast Guard,
26:39.5
and the Philippine Coast Guard.
26:42.0
If the question is,
26:45.7
upcoming trilateral exercise
26:47.9
between these three countries
26:49.7
will be happening
26:50.5
also pretty much the same
26:52.1
outside the exclusive
26:55.0
alam naman natin,
26:55.8
within Territory C,
27:02.2
something that is
27:03.4
can be considered
27:04.8
as a good development
27:08.1
and the Japanese government
27:09.3
support our position
27:10.6
in the West Philippine Sea.
27:14.0
until the department...
27:15.2
Yeah, it's a policy question.
27:16.4
And I don't want to put you
27:17.7
I know it's a policy question,
27:18.7
but the thing is,
27:21.9
yung direction of the wind,
27:23.6
Itong balikatan this year
27:24.9
was really unprecedented.
27:26.7
Meron tayong exercises
27:28.3
na medyo may kinalawan
27:29.8
although of course
27:31.5
as some people put it.
27:33.0
And then of course,
27:34.0
meron tayong trilateral patrols
27:37.2
in these Southeast patrols
27:38.5
in the South China Sea.
27:42.7
you could see also
27:43.9
on the Coast Guard front.
27:46.6
my question is coming.
27:48.9
Pwede natin balikan ng konti
27:50.9
sorry dun sa mga nagla-live,
27:52.6
medyo nagka-cut yung
27:57.2
a little bit again
28:00.1
ng Philippine Coast Guard
28:02.6
pagdating sa Philippine Navy,
28:04.6
medyo mukhang maayos-ayos
28:05.7
na yung mga warships nila
28:06.6
and they're acquiring more,
28:07.8
they're looking at submarines.
28:10.1
The Philippine Coast Guard,
28:15.7
and do the patrols
28:16.6
with other countries
28:17.6
and make us look good?
28:20.3
to be honest with you,
28:21.2
we have three of those
28:22.5
Coast Guard vessels.
28:22.7
So what are these three?
28:30.8
Ano yung mga pahalan nila?
28:32.7
BRP Teresa Magbanwa,
28:34.7
BRP Melchor Aquino,
28:36.7
and BRP Gabriela Silang.
28:38.3
All of them are...
28:38.8
It should be Amazon,
28:43.1
these are all the...
28:45.3
when nakita ko yung mga pahalan.
28:47.4
we have to emphasize it.
28:48.6
And I'm sure people can
28:49.3
Google it and see online.
28:50.5
These are beautiful vessels.
28:51.7
I've seen them in person.
28:53.2
I've dropped by them.
28:57.4
we know we're never gonna be
28:59.2
for understandable reasons,
29:00.4
but it's good to know
29:01.6
those kinds of vessels.
29:03.0
And these kind of vessels,
29:04.4
state-of-the-art electronics
29:05.6
and other capabilities?
29:08.3
communications capability,
29:10.3
navigation as well.
29:12.4
three Coast Guard vessels
29:13.5
have helicopter hangar.
29:17.1
this can actually carry...
29:20.5
So, you can do like
29:21.4
Mission Impossible movies
29:22.5
and Tom Cruise can come in.
29:24.9
speaking of feeling proud,
29:27.2
that's what I felt.
29:29.2
I've been covering
29:30.0
West Philippine Sea
29:32.1
as a journalist, no?
29:34.8
massive improvement
29:36.7
Philippine Coast Guard,
29:37.7
in terms of our Navy.
29:40.9
things on the part of China
29:43.5
completely different level
29:44.2
compared to all of us.
29:45.4
Now, having said that,
29:46.6
speaking of pride
29:49.2
excitement and inspiration,
29:51.6
meron pa rin tayong problema
29:52.6
sa Pilipinas, right?
29:56.0
maghanap sa mga ibang bansa,
29:57.7
ang mga grupo ng tao na...
30:00.5
bilang isang academic
30:02.3
bukas ako sa debate, right?
30:05.6
minsan, kinikwestion ko pa
30:06.4
yung mga claims ng Pilipinas.
30:09.7
tayo pa yung mga pinakamalakas.
30:11.0
Medyo nabubuli pa natin
30:12.2
yung mga kapitbahay natin.
30:13.5
muna gumawa ng mga...
30:14.6
So, as an academic,
30:15.9
I'm willing to make that argument
30:16.9
kasi objective ako.
30:18.4
Pero para sa akin,
30:21.0
medyo ibang level na
30:23.3
pag meron kang mga tao
30:26.7
not necessarily makabayan block,
30:29.5
mahal nila yung bayan nila.
30:31.3
purong mga sinasabi lang nila
30:33.5
lahat ng ginagawa natin,
30:35.7
tuta lang tayo ng Amerika,
30:37.0
front lang tayo ng Amerika,
30:38.2
or lahat ng mga ginagawa natin,
30:39.3
tayong nangugulo,
30:40.8
tayong provocateur,
30:45.8
nung panonang dating presidente,
30:47.9
kasi yung presidente mo mismo,
30:49.3
medyo ganun yung line.
30:50.6
Pero iba na yung presidente natin,
30:52.1
so hindi ko na-entend,
30:52.9
bakit yung mga ibang tao,
30:54.7
na tayo ang mali,
30:56.7
or kung hindi tayo mali,
30:58.1
ginagamit lang tayo
31:01.7
Tell me honestly,
31:03.3
how do you feel about this?
31:06.7
I kind of have a sense
31:08.0
of how you could feel,
31:08.9
although I'm not an official.
31:10.6
As a Filipino expert,
31:12.5
I go all around the world
31:12.8
and give a talk, right?
31:13.8
Ang sarap nung feeling.
31:15.3
People come to you
31:18.8
good job, Philippines,
31:20.0
you're standing up.
31:21.0
Yung mga ibang ASEAN,
31:21.9
hindi ko na sasabihin sino,
31:23.5
actually, sa totoo lang,
31:25.0
tama yung ginagawa nyo,
31:26.0
nakakayong gobyerno.
31:26.9
I mean, I'm not gonna say
31:28.6
And then, uuwi ka sa Pilipinas,
31:30.3
or bubuksan mo yung Twitter mo,
31:32.5
five different accounts.
31:33.8
Hindi ko na napag-usapin
31:34.5
yung TikTok ko, di ba?
31:36.6
Eh, sasabihin na,
31:37.5
tuta ka ng Amerika,
31:38.8
they are gonna tag you
31:40.6
tapos babastusin ka,
31:42.2
they'll make cartoons about you.
31:45.6
Tell me honestly,
31:46.5
how do you feel about this?
31:48.0
And what should we do about it
31:51.8
Obviously, kung siguro
31:52.6
China tayo, Vietnam,
31:53.7
alam ko na yung sagot, di ba?
31:55.0
Pero, democracy tayo eh.
31:57.1
Sorry I'm putting you on the spot,
31:59.2
eto na, real talk na tayo.
32:00.4
I think the first part
32:01.2
of this interview
32:01.9
was really geopolitics.
32:03.5
Eto na, mag-real talk na tayo,
32:05.1
Kamondor Tariela.
32:07.2
how do you feel about this?
32:09.6
or how, you know,
32:10.8
dispiriting this could be?
32:12.3
How do you keep it going?
32:14.8
I mean, what is your inspiration
32:15.9
that keeps you going
32:17.5
and keeping you strong
32:18.7
and keeping us, David, di ba?
32:20.4
And then, what should we talk about this?
32:22.1
Medyo nakakaloka to eh, di ba?
32:25.3
Well, una sa lahat, Richard, no?
32:28.5
the transparency strategy,
32:30.6
naniniwala ako na
32:31.6
more Filipinos now
32:32.8
have become more aware
32:34.4
of what's really happening.
32:36.0
Kung meron bang iilan
32:43.2
ang ginagawa natin,
32:46.4
mga tuta tayo ng Amerika.
32:48.7
I mean, you've seen
32:49.9
how people really
32:55.1
Totoy siya, may mga caricature
32:56.7
pa nga sa akin, di ba?
32:58.4
those things na talaga
33:01.2
Ngayon, ang tanong,
33:02.2
how do I respond to this?
33:03.4
And how do I see them?
33:04.5
And how do you cope?
33:05.5
I mean, how do you keep it strong
33:07.1
and fresh, you know?
33:09.9
Yeah, David tayo, eh.
33:12.6
when I look at the trolls
33:14.8
na hindi talaga sila,
33:17.2
you can really tell naman
33:18.7
whether this account
33:20.1
is just an ordinary troll.
33:22.5
Ako, iniisip ko na lang,
33:23.9
he's just paid to do this.
33:25.9
Kasi wala kang sariling identity.
33:29.2
I mean, it makes me feel good
33:32.2
na itong tao na to,
33:33.8
because of his wealth,
33:35.0
may kabuhayan siya dahil sa akin.
33:36.8
Correct, correct.
33:38.1
tuloy-tuloy ang foreign.
33:38.9
I mean, direct investment nga
33:40.7
sa pagpapasweldo sa mga to.
33:42.8
Yan ang foreign direct investment.
33:44.4
We are actually helping
33:46.9
because of these trolls, eh.
33:49.3
So, on the good side of it,
33:52.6
may trabaho si kuya.
33:53.7
O talagang busy ngayon,
33:55.5
Correct, correct.
34:00.6
nagpupost sila sa Facebook.
34:01.6
Correct, correct.
34:02.6
This should thank me, no?
34:06.8
I became instrumental
34:07.9
para magkakamalaman
34:09.8
ng ating mga kababayang Pilipino.
34:12.4
Ang nakakasakit sa akin,
34:22.1
bureaucratic people
34:25.4
have the reputation
34:26.5
na alam mong maayos sila noon.
34:29.6
they are amplifying
34:31.6
this kind of messaging of China.
34:33.9
Parang yun yung mas nakakalungkot sa akin.
34:36.1
Kahit anong sabihin nila sa akin
34:37.5
pananakit na sasalita,
34:40.2
I don't really care.
34:41.4
Ang nakakasakit sa akin,
34:48.0
they are doing that
34:50.5
Ang hindi ko maintindihan dyan,
34:52.0
kung concerned ba talaga sila
34:55.4
or talagang they're just paid
34:58.2
be a fear-mongering
35:03.2
Lagi ko sinasabi,
35:04.2
kapag tinatanong ako,
35:05.6
na ang issue mo talaga,
35:08.2
ang response ko dito,
35:09.7
buti pa ito mga trolls eh,
35:11.2
or ito mga tao na ito.
35:13.6
na China will go to war
35:14.9
because of the stones,
35:19.5
some islets dito,
35:21.4
or shoals dito sa West Philippine Sea.
35:23.5
Without even considering,
35:25.9
wouldn't even go to war
35:27.4
because of all of this.
35:28.8
Because of so much complicatedness,
35:30.8
once there will be
35:31.4
a kinetic conflict.
35:33.6
it's very easy for them to,
35:35.4
threaten the Filipino people,
35:37.2
for them to withdraw support
35:40.6
let's go against,
35:43.3
going against the president himself.
35:45.4
This is very sad,
35:46.9
and very frustrating.
35:48.7
just to be clear,
35:49.3
I think the Soviet Union
35:51.4
had a technical term
35:52.5
for some of these people.
35:53.3
I think the technical term
35:54.7
was useful idiots,
35:56.1
something like that.
35:57.4
like they do it for free,
36:01.8
or feeling leftist,
36:03.4
feeling progressive.
36:04.6
But are you suggesting
36:05.5
that some of these people
36:06.2
are also politically motivated
36:07.9
because they belong
36:08.9
to a certain faction
36:10.0
na may certain agenda
36:14.0
certain networks of connection
36:15.3
to a foreign power?
36:18.0
What is your distinguishing?
36:20.0
So you're saying,
36:20.6
yung mga troll na bayaran,
36:23.5
please gastusin nyo sa Pilipinas,
36:25.6
huwag nyo din gastusin.
36:27.6
Huwag sa Hong Kong,
36:28.7
huwag nyo mag-Japan-Japan
36:29.6
para dito na kayo gumastos
36:30.9
para umikot yung pera.
36:32.8
sa mga useful idiots,
36:34.0
anong basa mo sa mga yan?
36:35.1
Yung iba may political agenda
36:37.0
they're just ideologically blind,
36:40.6
that's a very interesting question,
36:42.9
Without naming names,
36:44.4
makikita mo to eh.
36:46.6
Itago natin sa pangalan na,
36:51.1
Without naming names,
36:56.7
naratibo ng China,
37:00.3
sila din ang sumusuporta
37:04.2
na kinukontrol naman
37:06.0
ang kasalukuyang administrasyon.
37:10.9
we can tell na ito ba
37:12.4
politically motivated
37:13.5
dahil yung sinusuportahan nilang
37:15.2
dating administrasyon.
37:16.3
So, may partisan.
37:17.0
May partisan political agenda.
37:18.5
There is a partisan
37:19.5
political agenda.
37:20.4
Not all, but some.
37:24.1
there is a motivating reason
37:27.0
are just doing it
37:28.2
whether for funds,
37:33.9
magkakalong ng eleksyon,
37:38.4
that's not a patriotic reason
37:40.7
kung bakit nila ginagawa.
37:42.4
They're just hiding behind
37:47.1
anti-America daw sila,
37:55.5
Meron ba siyang ano?
37:59.8
kasi medyo maging obvious
38:06.3
may balikan ko yung mga labels
38:08.4
May balikan ko yung mga labels
38:08.8
Minsan nga inisip ko,
38:10.2
Parang nagtatapon na lang sila
38:11.8
para maniwala ang tao sa kanila.
38:14.0
ako nakitang survey,
38:14.9
3% na lang naniwala sa kanila.
38:17.8
3% na lang naniwala na
38:20.0
China yung biktima dito.
38:22.4
Yung parang sobrang konti.
38:26.4
Kulay na na asteroid.
38:27.6
tatamaan tayo ng asteroid
38:28.8
kung hindi natin labanan yun.
38:30.9
Hindi ko pa maintindihan.
38:32.8
Parang ano ba to?
38:34.5
Kung anong sasabihin ng China ngayon,
38:37.1
yun ang sasabihin nila bukas.
38:38.9
Kung anong sasabihin ng...
38:39.9
Minsan nga nauna pa yan.
38:41.7
Minsan sila talagang
38:45.6
9 a.m. yung kumapal yung isa.
38:47.6
I don't know how you really
38:48.8
look into the trolls.
38:50.3
May mga time yan sila.
38:56.9
pag nagsalita na itong
38:57.8
identified figure,
39:00.2
sunod-sunod na yan sila lahat.
39:02.3
talagang orchestrated.
39:06.0
center operation.
39:08.1
so what you're doing is
39:09.1
you compartmentalize.
39:10.1
It's always good.
39:10.8
Compartmentalize always helps
39:11.8
when medyo stress ka.
39:15.9
And then may isang group,
39:17.8
as the Soviet Union
39:18.7
technically puts it.
39:20.2
let's just debate them.
39:21.5
Ridiculous yung argument.
39:22.5
Wala naman nang iwala.
39:23.2
60 lang daw views nila sa YouTube,
39:24.8
sabi nung isang political analyst.
39:28.2
there's a group na
39:29.0
may partisan interest,
39:32.2
potentially destabilizers,
39:35.0
Some would say more than.
39:35.9
Some would use even terms na
39:37.3
incitement to rebellion
39:40.5
Paparating na tayo sa elections.
39:42.8
if you look at it,
39:43.4
I think the election
39:44.1
has already started.
39:45.8
I think we already have some idea
39:46.9
about who's gonna be the
39:48.1
de facto opposition.
39:50.2
We can have a long conversation
39:51.2
about the traditional,
39:53.3
progressive opposition.
39:57.7
usually sa elections,
39:59.1
hindi ganong kamahalaga
40:00.2
yung foreign policy issues.
40:02.9
wala akong ilusyon na
40:03.8
sa susunod na election.
40:04.5
Maging number one issue
40:05.8
ng West Philippine Sea.
40:07.9
there's a part of me
40:08.6
feels that it could be
40:09.2
among the top three issues.
40:11.6
normal gut issues.
40:16.6
is that also your understanding
40:17.9
that dahil dito sa
40:19.5
talagang medyo bardagulan na eh,
40:22.3
dito sa issue ng West Philippine Sea,
40:23.8
that this could become
40:25.0
mainstream central issue
40:26.5
sa paparating na election?
40:30.6
one group will say,
40:31.7
kayo ang Team America.
40:33.3
Sabi na ng kabila,
40:34.1
kayo ang Team America.
40:34.3
kayo ang Team America.
40:34.3
kayo ang Team America.
40:36.5
I think the real distinction
40:37.3
is between Team Philippines,
40:39.4
yung mga talaga patriotic,
40:40.4
at saka yung mga nagpapanggap
40:41.7
na Team Philippines.
40:42.6
Pero sa totoo lang,
40:43.3
alam natin sinuporta nila,
40:45.8
What is your understanding
40:46.7
of the upcoming elections?
40:47.8
And before we discuss more
40:50.1
what kind of leaders we need.
40:51.7
every election is a chance
40:53.3
to make sure we move
40:54.3
in the right direction
40:57.5
the first objective
40:58.9
of the transparency,
40:60.0
lagi ko itong sinasabi,
41:01.6
President Bombo Marcos
41:05.3
wherein more people
41:10.0
are more friendlier.
41:12.5
are the better partner
41:14.3
for economic development.
41:16.0
Because that was the narrative
41:16.9
before of the previous
41:20.0
for President Bombo Marcos
41:21.8
to unite this country
41:24.5
Chinese aggression,
41:27.1
this transparency.
41:29.7
what is the end game
41:31.5
Kasi sinasabi nila,
41:33.2
this transparency
41:35.5
for one presidential,
41:38.8
under presidential
41:39.7
President Bombo Marcos.
41:41.6
And then by 2028,
41:42.9
it will be another priority
41:44.1
just like what happened
41:45.5
And my implication,
41:46.5
sorry for cutting you,
41:47.5
one of the things
41:50.9
with Elbridge Colby
41:52.2
who was one of the
41:54.1
of the National Defense Strategy
41:55.6
of the Trump administration
41:58.2
probably he'll be
41:58.7
the National Security Advisor
42:00.4
One of the things
42:01.5
with my discussion
42:02.0
with the Americans
42:02.5
and also Filipinos,
42:04.9
former Senator Trillians
42:07.4
na hindi makapagbigay
42:09.6
ng ibang bansa sa atin
42:11.2
medyo ilang sila eh.
42:13.2
Baka bigyan natin
42:14.5
tapos biglang pro-China
42:15.6
yung next year nila.
42:16.7
Tapos bibigay sa China
42:17.8
yung weapon systems.
42:18.7
I just came from Thailand
42:19.8
and Thailand wants to buy
42:21.3
F-35 fighters from US.
42:24.0
kasi masyado kayong malapit
42:26.1
Mamaya yung weapon systems
42:26.9
pupuntin sa kabila
42:28.5
You know what I'm saying?
42:32.6
because hindi sila sigurado
42:34.7
maging leadership natin
42:41.5
ng actions na yan eh.
42:44.6
That's actually my point.
42:47.2
objective of transparency.
42:50.9
ng West Philippine Sea
42:51.8
is intergenerational
42:53.0
sabi nga ni Justice Carpio.
42:56.8
transparency strategy
42:58.5
is something that
42:59.6
we cannot probably
43:02.7
in the next coming years.
43:05.8
for us to measure
43:06.7
our impact of transparency
43:08.7
is through election.
43:12.7
Tama yung sinabi mo
43:15.6
in the next coming months,
43:17.0
magpapailan ng campaign
43:22.7
Itong issue na to,
43:24.6
if it would not be
43:26.2
it will be number,
43:28.8
Top three, right?
43:29.4
Top five at least.
43:30.1
Ito ang gusto kong
43:30.8
pag-usapay natin.
43:35.1
ni President Bongbong Marcos
43:37.3
West Philippine Sea,
43:42.1
And the same thing
43:44.2
we need to amplify
43:45.5
our transparency.
43:46.7
We are reaching out
43:47.5
to all media personalities.
43:49.7
We're reaching out
43:50.4
to even bloggers,
43:51.9
And even the academic.
43:54.5
sectors of society
43:55.8
are being reached out
43:57.0
para mapalalim natin
43:58.6
ang ugnayan natin
43:59.6
sa West Philippine Sea.
44:02.3
West Philippine Sea
44:05.5
in National Capital Region.
44:07.2
It will go beyond,
44:09.2
Visayas or even Mindanao.
44:14.1
hindi ito laban lang
44:15.2
ng administrasyon
44:16.0
ni Pangulong Bongbong Marcos.
44:17.9
Itong laban na to,
44:23.1
And for us to do that,
44:24.3
we need to educate
44:25.3
the Filipino people.
44:26.8
For them to be aware
44:27.8
na itong issue na to,
44:36.3
But most importantly,
44:38.1
pag-usapan natin,
44:39.4
ano ang kahalagahan
44:42.2
Ang West Philippine Sea,
44:43.4
part ng Pilipinas yan.
44:46.1
pinakamahalagang issue
44:49.0
at maging basihan
44:50.4
kung how are we going
44:51.7
to select our leaders
44:56.8
speaking of 2025 elections,
44:59.7
some of the people are
45:01.7
within the magic circle.
45:04.9
against President
45:06.2
Marcos Jr.'s position
45:07.3
on West Philippine Sea.
45:08.8
very close to the President.
45:10.1
Hindi na natin kailangan
45:10.8
sabihin siya ng mga tao.
45:12.1
Who openly question
45:14.3
West Philippine Sea policy.
45:15.3
May mga tao dyan na
45:16.2
never na-criticize
45:20.1
that they should.
45:21.8
Nakakabala ba yan
45:26.0
who are not supportive
45:27.3
of yung patriotic
45:28.9
sa West Philippine Sea
45:29.5
winning again in Senate?
45:32.9
also name people,
45:33.8
but may isang senador
45:34.7
na nag-number one
45:35.5
sa last elections
45:37.1
you know what I'm saying,
45:43.1
na ginagamit yung
45:45.4
to make arguments
45:46.7
which we used to hear
45:47.6
under the former president
45:49.3
which are really weird
45:51.5
and questionable.
45:53.3
hindi ba nakakabala yan
45:54.7
kung eto yung direction
45:56.0
based on the surveys
45:57.1
that we're saying,
45:57.8
trend lines we're saying?
46:01.7
kung makikita mo rin
46:02.7
naman ang social media,
46:04.6
yung social media savvy,
46:07.0
not just for Facebook,
46:09.0
or all platforms,
46:11.8
typical Filipino people
46:16.9
alam naman natin,
46:18.0
most of those people
46:19.0
who engage in Twitter
46:20.2
are middle class,
46:25.0
with that kind of
46:31.1
of this administration
46:32.7
against West Philippines.
46:33.8
And also in Facebook.
46:37.3
na nasa Facebook,
46:38.4
social class na nasa YouTube,
46:41.5
kung ano yung mga comments
46:45.4
when we were talking
46:46.2
with Sir Jonathan Malaya,
46:48.1
meron nga akong kilala
46:54.5
President Bong Mung
46:56.9
in the West Philippines.
46:59.1
na yung comments.
47:00.7
Dahil real people
47:02.0
are making comments
47:09.3
ni President Marcos
47:11.7
in the West Philippines.
47:14.3
I want to ask you
47:14.8
another question.
47:16.7
appropriate or something.
47:19.9
more patriotic people
47:21.7
should throw their hat
47:24.8
very competitive elections.
47:26.5
Ang dami mga re-electionists
47:28.4
malalaking pangalan.
47:30.5
it's also time for people
47:31.7
whether they're serving
47:33.0
in the government,
47:34.1
or whether they served
47:35.6
in capacities relevant
47:36.8
sa West Philippine Sea
47:37.7
and fighting for the
47:38.4
West Philippine Sea?
47:39.2
Do you think that
47:40.2
more people have to
47:43.1
kasi it's one thing for you.
47:45.2
you are inside the government,
47:46.2
you're doing your job.
47:47.4
But don't you think na siguro
47:49.4
ibang branches of the government,
47:51.0
whether it's Senate and Congress,
47:52.1
something like that,
47:52.6
that we have more
47:53.3
of these patriotic voices?
47:55.1
Mr. West Philippine Sea,
47:56.4
if I can put it that way.
47:57.5
Kailangan ba natin
47:58.1
mga miss and miss
48:00.3
Mr. West Philippine Sea
48:04.4
I can think about
48:06.3
who consistently has been
48:07.3
strong on this issue
48:08.2
or a number of other Senators
48:10.3
and got support from.
48:13.5
parang para sa akin,
48:14.4
mas sikat yung mga
48:16.1
na parang mas pro-China
48:21.9
si guy sa Mr. West.
48:23.3
You get what I'm saying?
48:24.3
I'm just being nice.
48:25.2
I'm controlling myself.
48:26.4
Do you think we need
48:27.2
people with defense
48:29.6
or whatever background
48:32.4
I know this is becoming
48:33.3
a leading question almost
48:34.6
and let's see how good
48:35.8
you are in responding.
48:43.1
ng West Philippine Sea,
48:46.3
sa susunod na eleksyon
48:51.4
traditional politicians
48:57.0
who are really concerned
48:58.9
in the West Philippine Sea?
49:00.2
Lagi ko ang sinasabi,
49:02.1
na ang West Philippine Sea
49:02.9
na ang West Philippine Sea
49:03.3
dapat talaga natin
49:05.5
bago tayo naging bansa,
49:07.6
bago tayo nagkaroon
49:09.5
when the colonizers left,
49:14.1
ipinusta dito, eh,
49:15.2
para magkaroon lang tayo
49:18.3
democratic country
49:20.2
where we can elect
49:21.1
our own national leaders.
49:23.0
we really need to
49:23.9
take care of our own
49:25.2
sovereignty and patrimony
49:28.1
kung magbuboto ka naman
49:31.5
na would undermine
49:33.1
our own national interest,
49:35.7
our own patrimony
49:38.5
we have forgotten
49:39.8
what our national heroes
49:43.7
to the Philippines
49:45.7
isinantabi na lang natin.
49:47.7
kung pilihan lang talaga
49:48.8
sa susunod na eleksyon
49:52.9
that should be somebody
49:55.1
for the West Philippine Sea.
50:05.7
the sense of patriotism
50:07.0
of the Philippines.
50:07.4
Somebody or some group
50:08.5
or some movement,
50:09.4
all of them, right?
50:10.5
and last point perhaps
50:13.8
I'm going to come back to you
50:14.8
with more questions
50:16.9
itong laban sa West Philippine Sea.
50:18.3
Generation na lang
50:22.4
I'm not saying this
50:23.2
because we're having
50:23.7
this interview now,
50:25.0
I've heard from some folks
50:26.6
when I was in Berlin
50:28.7
and we were talking about
50:29.4
officials in the Philippines.
50:30.9
ang dami madal-dal sa government.
50:32.5
hindi na kailangan
50:33.4
yung mga katulad ko
50:35.8
suddenly discussion went to you
50:37.0
and someone said,
50:39.9
some wanting to run
50:43.1
or something like that.
50:44.8
this is not true.
50:47.5
may nakita akong vlogger
50:48.5
hindi na natin pangalanan.
50:49.5
Parang ganun din yata
50:50.3
ang tanong sa'yo.
50:51.5
parang kailangan ko rin
50:54.6
meron ka bang balak
51:03.3
I really wanted to join
51:04.4
the military service.
51:06.4
I joined the military academy.
51:11.5
hindi ko masabing
51:13.0
I was not lucky enough
51:14.2
because I was more blessed
51:18.1
kay Rigberto Tiglao
51:29.6
this was discussed
51:35.8
And they responded
51:38.1
three weeks after graduation,
51:41.7
I joined the Coast Guard.
51:43.8
my parents during that time
51:45.1
really wanted me to,
51:50.5
do private practice.
51:52.7
Pero para sa akin,
51:53.4
I still wanted to serve.
51:55.2
That's why I joined
51:56.0
the Coast Guard service,
51:58.6
I never thought na,
52:02.2
this kind of job,
52:03.5
be the spokesperson,
52:04.7
and amplify the transparency strategy
52:06.5
that we have right now.
52:11.4
for public service
52:12.8
is really that deep.
52:20.2
ilang tanong na yan sa akin,
52:22.3
for Senate or whatever?
52:28.0
ano ba ang gusto ng,
52:29.8
to be honest with you,
52:32.1
choose to be a public servant
52:33.4
in whatever capacity.
52:38.3
large number of people
52:40.9
to do the same thing,
52:42.2
to run for office,
52:43.7
in which I believe,
52:46.5
undermine the interests
52:48.5
the Filipino people,
52:50.5
and I would still choose
52:52.8
West Philippine Sea,
52:57.1
hindi nga ganun eh.
52:58.7
Ang pagpasok sa politika,
52:59.9
it's a very big risk.
53:02.0
you need political machinery,
53:09.0
And this is looking like
53:09.9
very, very tight race,
53:11.3
very, very, very competitive race.
53:13.2
But what you're saying is that,
53:15.6
it's just gonna be
53:16.4
a natural evolution
53:17.3
of your lifelong commitment.
53:19.3
At the same time...
53:20.1
Huwag tayo maging surprised.
53:23.7
kung ano mang posisyon
53:26.9
dito sa gobyerno na to,
53:30.1
I'm still a public servant.
53:32.0
In whatever capacity.
53:35.2
pwede ka na mag-showbiz.
53:36.6
Parang Tito Boy Abunda yata
53:38.2
dapat mag-interview dito.
53:42.8
for that fantastic discussion.
53:44.6
Maraming salamat.
