00:25.3
magre-retaliate din sila,
00:26.7
and then less there will be communication channels.
00:29.0
Again, as I said, if diplomacy were just for friends,
00:32.9
it's not diplomacy, right?
00:34.1
It's happy times.
00:35.2
You need diplomacy precisely with problematic counterparts, right?
00:40.0
So aren't you worried about the diplomatic channels collapsing here
00:43.0
at the rate things are going?
00:44.3
Although, of course, I squarely blame China for doing this.
00:47.6
And everyone is now scared to talk to them.
00:49.4
Baka mamay, re-record ka nila,
00:50.8
tapos anong gagawin nila dyan?
00:52.7
Well, that's to be expected.
00:55.0
We have a valid ground to expel.
00:58.7
Whoever is this Chinese guy is.
01:01.1
And the Chinese will retaliate.
01:03.6
And that's accepted.
01:05.3
But it will end there.
01:06.6
This has happened several times between the US and Russia.
01:12.1
I wanted to say Russia.
01:13.4
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:14.3
They expel each other.
01:16.6
And they expect that their counterpart will be expelled also.
01:20.4
And that's the end of it.
01:22.9
And you think even the problem is,
01:25.7
I mean, this might go all the way to the ambassador, right?
01:28.7
how do you compare Zhao with the Xi'an?
01:31.6
Zhao, the former ambassador,
01:32.8
seemed to be far more sophisticated, I would say.
01:36.1
Even though, of course,
01:36.9
meron siyang advantage na dealing with Duterte.
01:38.7
But he was there even during Aquino's time.
01:41.8
Alam ko, si Zhao was there.
01:43.2
So, baka may problema din ang ambassador dito.
01:47.3
Aside from the whole modus operandi.
01:49.4
Well, I don't know him personally.
01:51.2
But I don't think we should go to that level,
01:55.5
expelling the ambassador.
01:56.6
There are many people below.
01:58.7
Below him that we can expel.
02:00.4
And if you do that,
02:02.1
it will not escalate anymore.
02:05.1
But if you expel the ambassador himself,
02:07.3
that's a serious action.
02:10.7
In short, yung mga ano na lang niya,
02:12.7
yung mga parang Harry Rockin niya,
02:14.1
yung mga ano na lang niya,
02:16.0
mga spokesman niya,
02:17.1
yung mga ganun niya.
02:17.9
The deputy or the political council or...
02:23.0
Or, I don't know,
02:24.6
charge d'affect or something like that
02:26.0
at highest probably.
02:26.8
Now, going back to this,
02:29.2
what is your rhythm of the Philippines
02:31.0
and the whole squad thing?
02:32.8
Is this squad with Australia, US, Japan?
02:36.0
Is it for the gram?
02:37.4
For the photo op?
02:38.6
Or do you think there's something more substantial here
02:40.8
in addition to joint patrols
02:42.6
becoming a, what, new normal
02:44.1
in the West Philippine Sea?
02:47.2
if you compare it to the quad,
02:49.0
in the quad, you have one party there,
02:51.9
India, that there's no
02:53.1
defense treaty with the US.
02:56.6
Here in the squad,
02:58.0
all the parties have a defense treaty with the US.
03:01.6
And so this is more,
03:03.7
this is actually the more substantive grouping
03:11.7
as far as the South China Sea is concerned.
03:15.6
But if you look at the larger Indo-Pacific,
03:18.9
well, you really need India with you
03:21.0
if you want to cover the entire Indo-Pacific.
03:24.5
Yeah, my understanding with India is that,
03:25.9
of course, there's a lot of tension
03:26.9
and disappointment with them.
03:27.8
I mean, the Indians are very clear,
03:30.1
this is all about their own great power moment, right?
03:32.8
And I remember when I asked
03:34.9
some Munich Security Conference,
03:36.7
the quad panel there,
03:38.3
is this the Asian NATO?
03:39.5
Obviously, it's not.
03:40.2
But, you know, just to provoke discussion,
03:42.8
they're very outspoken foreign minister.
03:45.1
In fairness, dapat ganun sana si Harry Roque,
03:47.0
yung parang Jai Shankar type ni Modi.
03:49.1
He went out, said,
03:50.0
no, we are here just, you know,
03:51.3
essentially saying alliance of convenience ito.
03:53.6
This is not a treaty alliance.
03:55.9
We work where it serves us.
03:57.8
India, Russia, Romans, Beshie.
04:01.5
China, ingat sila,
04:02.7
kasi may border disputes din sila
04:04.0
and they don't want to get into fight with China anytime soon
04:06.3
kasi may mga concerns din sila.
04:08.2
So, the Philippines,
04:09.7
although mas maliit sa India and all of that,
04:12.0
it looks like a much more aligned country,
04:14.0
hindi lang treaty ally,
04:14.8
pero in terms of values, orientation,
04:16.5
China position, right?
04:18.0
So, this looks like a more SWAC quad
04:20.4
for dealing with China
04:21.7
because I know natural people say,
04:23.5
what about South Korea?
04:25.1
I'll say, what about North Korea, right?
04:26.9
Ang laki ng problema na sa
04:27.8
South Korea sa North Korea,
04:28.8
ibig sila dun eh.
04:29.9
At least the Philippines,
04:31.0
kahit mas mahina tayo sa India and Korea,
04:34.4
we can be very helpful.
04:36.1
And speaking of which,
04:37.2
how do you read this Balikatan exercises?
04:39.4
We had an exercise in Kagayan
04:40.7
where we essentially simulated
04:43.2
China taking over Batanes or Mavulis
04:45.9
or something like that
04:46.6
and taking it back.
04:47.4
I mean, clearly the Philippines
04:48.8
is leveraging its geography, right?
04:50.8
And we're really preparing for a Taiwan contingency.
04:54.0
Well, I think we also have to show to China
04:57.4
that we are not helpless,
04:59.3
we are not defenseless.
05:03.2
where the Americans brought in their
05:06.7
and it's a message to China
05:09.8
that the missiles from the Philippines
05:12.0
could reach them.
05:14.6
I think it's a matter of messaging.
05:19.0
Of course, we have our BrahMos already
05:21.6
that would cover the Spratlys.
05:27.4
those missiles won't reach
05:29.2
the Chinese mainland.
05:30.8
But this typhoon class of missiles
05:33.5
will reach the mainland.
05:36.1
So it's a powerful signal.
05:38.6
And what do you think about
05:40.0
the whole high Mars exercises,
05:42.3
sea stars, sinking a ship?
05:44.3
I mean, there were also exercises
05:45.6
in South China Sea.
05:46.3
And for the first time,
05:47.6
there were drills
05:48.4
outside the 12 nautical miles
05:50.8
And also France joining in.
05:53.7
The French are about to start
05:55.8
their negotiations over reciprocation.
05:57.4
The last is agreement.
05:58.5
How do you see those exercises going?
06:02.4
I'm very in favor of them
06:05.3
because once they conduct naval drills
06:10.1
in our exclusive economic zone
06:12.5
in the West Philippine Sea,
06:13.8
they're actually telling China
06:15.5
that under the arbitral award,
06:17.9
this is the exclusive economic zone
06:19.7
of the Philippines.
06:20.7
And there is freedom of navigation,
06:23.1
including naval drills.
06:24.6
And that's exactly what we're doing.
06:27.3
they are enforcing the arbitral award.
06:30.0
it's the most tangible enforcement
06:32.0
of the arbitral award
06:33.3
because you're using warships
06:35.0
to say that this is
06:36.2
the exclusive economic zone
06:37.6
of the Philippines
06:38.6
per the arbitral award.
06:42.5
And that there's no 9-dash line.
06:44.8
Yeah, and that 9-dash line
06:46.5
that we don't follow that.
06:47.9
Kasi nasa loob ng 9-dash line
06:49.3
yung exercises eh.
06:50.5
And walang pakinga ng France,
06:52.7
Yeah, that's exactly
06:54.0
the message being sent
06:55.4
that your 9-dash line
07:00.6
we should do this every year na?
07:03.7
O, ito na dapat talaga.
07:05.9
It should be done
07:07.0
so that it becomes routine
07:09.6
into the minds of everybody
07:10.8
that that is really
07:11.8
the exclusive economic zone
07:13.6
of the Philippines
07:14.3
because they keep on
07:16.1
invoking the arbitral award
07:17.8
and that's to our benefit.
07:21.9
Justice, on this.
07:25.2
what is your read
07:26.2
of the Marcos administration?
07:27.3
Foreign policy so far
07:28.8
along these lines?
07:30.4
Are we doing what
07:31.3
would have had happened
07:33.7
from Duterte won 2016?
07:36.6
kung si Grace po yung president
07:39.9
debate natin yan.
07:41.9
Parang ito yung gagawin nila,
07:43.7
I mean, what we're seeing
07:46.2
what happened in 2017, right?
07:51.2
because once you have
07:52.5
the arbitral award,
07:57.3
Advantage already.
07:58.4
Ask the allied countries
08:02.3
because that's the most
08:03.4
robust enforcement
08:04.4
of the arbitral award.
08:06.6
And China couldn't do anything.
08:08.9
China's totally helpless
08:09.9
when the naval powers
08:12.1
conduct naval drills
08:13.2
in area where they claim
08:15.5
it is their national territory.
08:17.7
everything within
08:18.6
the 10-dust line,
08:20.5
it's their national territory.
08:22.7
So, can you just imagine
08:24.2
US and European warships
08:28.5
conducting naval drills
08:29.7
in what China considers
08:31.6
national territory.
08:36.7
And they couldn't do anything.
08:43.5
with the Japanese,
08:44.4
baka we're looking at
08:45.2
regular joint drills,
08:47.6
hindi lang patrols
08:48.4
in the 200-not-com.
08:49.4
Yeah, we need those.
08:50.9
We have to really
08:51.5
to strengthen our alliances
08:52.9
because that's all
08:54.5
we've got right now
08:58.0
self-defense force,
09:01.7
Even when we have
09:03.9
self-defense force,
09:05.0
we must still strengthen
09:06.7
because you're facing
09:10.4
and a nuclear-armed country
09:13.2
navy in the world,
09:14.6
largest coast guard
09:16.8
largest submarine force
09:18.9
So, how do you fight
09:19.7
a country like that?
09:20.9
You just have to get allies.
09:24.7
so we're about to end
09:25.9
but I'll have to say
09:26.0
that I'm not going to
09:26.1
but I'll have one question
09:27.8
something more inspirational
09:30.0
but what do you think
09:31.9
in the coming years?
09:33.3
the next logical step?
09:35.2
what he's doing right now
09:36.3
is what any logical president
09:38.5
not named Duterte
09:39.5
would have done anyway.
09:40.9
So, there's nothing genius
09:41.8
about what Marcos is doing.
09:43.3
Let's be absolutely clear
09:44.6
some people are going gaga.
09:46.8
you're such a genius.
09:48.9
what any self-respecting
09:52.0
should have done.
09:52.9
Tama naman si BBM
09:54.4
sa Australia, diba?
