Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson on AI and Nuclear Weapons Parallels @joerogan @TuckerCarlson
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Okay, so to do that
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Pag-usapan natin yung mga tanong na maaaring magmula sa isang
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yugto ng kasaysayan ng mundo
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ang pagbabagsak ng Amerika ng mga nuclear weapons sa Japan
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specifically sa Hiroshima at saka sa Nagasaki
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So, justified ba na pumatay ng daanlibong mga Japanese na madami dun?
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Of course, would be mga inosente, mga bata, mga matanda, mga kababaihan,
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mga taong-tanggap,
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mga walang kinalaman talaga dun sa gera
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Pati yung mga hayop, pati yung lahat ng properties nandun
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To, ah, ah, kumbaga, may dahilan ba?
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Kumbaga, justified ba na mamatay silang lahat para lang matigil yung gera
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at mabawasan ang mamatay na sundalo na maglalaban?
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So, pag-uusapan natin yan dito at gagamitin natin ang The Comics Man Method
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Ito, yan, nakikita nyo
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Yan, yan, yan, yan, yan
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Mamaya, pakita natin
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I'm gonna be showing flashcards when I'm talking about the different levels
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ng Comics Man Method
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Okay? Pero, yung topic natin about nuclear weapons
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nang galing yan dun sa isang clip dito sa podcast ni Joe Rogan
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Kausap niya si Tucker Carlson
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Si Tucker Carlson is a...
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Another, ah, ah, is a huge political figure in the United States
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Okay? He's one of the, he's the leading voice probably ng mga conservatives
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So, madaming galit dyan
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A lot of people love him
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A lot of people hate him
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So, pero very influential siya
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Dati siyang host ng isang show sa Fox News
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Pero, tinanggal siya dun
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Kasi, may mga sinasabi siyang hindi nagustuhan ng madaming tao
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Dahil he's too big to fail already
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Ah, meron na siyang sariling kumpanya
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Okay? Meron na siyang sariling productions
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And doon, ah, kapag mas malaya siyang magsalita
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Wala nang magsisisante sa kanya
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Okay? So, gamitan natin ng Comics Man Method
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Yung kanilang, ah, isang segment
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Actually, hindi naman political
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Hindi overtly political itong segment na to
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Kasi, parang this is just a moral dilemma
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Um, actually, ano nga eh
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Kinikriticize pa nga ni Tucker Carlson yung mga conservatives
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Yung mga, yung right wing
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Na, dahil sila yung nag, ah, nag, ah, de-defend daw
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Noong paggamit ng, ah, nuclear weapon ng Amerika sa Japan
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Okay? So, eto, eto yung Comics Man Method
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Yan, so, eight levels yan
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So, I'm gonna be flashing, ah, the levels
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Pag yun yung part na pinag-uusapan natin
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Okay? So, kasi yung Comics Man Method kasi just, just a little bit about it
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Ah, parang, ginawa ko lang yan
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Kasi, one time, I was thinking
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Paano ba ako mag-isip?
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Ano ba yung paraan para makapag-isip ako
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Kung ang gusto ko ay, ah, i-extract
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As much nuance as possible
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As much nuance as possible
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Okay? Yung nuance kasi, yun yung mga, yung mga intricacies
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Yung pagkaka, pagiging, ah, komplikado ng mga, ng mga issue
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Diba? Hindi black and white
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Hindi tama ba yan o mali
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Diba? Kasi minsan merong nasa gitna, eh
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So, kailangan maintindihan mo kung ano yung mga nasa gitna
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There's very few things that are, ah, totally black and white
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Diba? So, kahit mabuti pa yun
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Merong ka pa rin pwedeng ipintas
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Kahit masama yan, merong ka pa rin pwedeng makitang maganda
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Diba? So, may pakinabang, either
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Kung ano man, diba?
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So, yun yung nuance na sinasabi ko
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At, ah, etong Comicsman method
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Ay mabisang paraan upang makuha mo ang nuance sa mga issue
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Okay? So, painggan na natin tong, ano?
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Painggan natin tong clip ni Joe Rogan
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I love, by the way, that people on my side
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I'll just say, I'll just admit it
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On the right, you know, have spent the last 80 years
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Defending, dropping nuclear weapons on civilians
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Like, are you joking?
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That's just like prima facie evil
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If you can't, well, if we hadn't done that
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Then this, that, the other thing
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That was actually a great savings
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Like, no, it's wrong to drop nuclear weapons on people
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And if you find yourself arguing that it's a good thing
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To drop nuclear weapons on people
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Then you are evil
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Like, it's not a tough one, right?
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Is that a hard call for you?
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It's not a hard call for me
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So, with that in mind
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Like, why would you want nuclear weapons?
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It's like just a mindless, childish
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Sort of intellectual exercise to justify
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Like, oh no, it's really good
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Because someone else will get it
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How about, like, spending all of your effort
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To prevent this from happening
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Would you kill baby Hitler?
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You know, famously?
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Okay, so, mahaba pa yung, ano
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Yung conversation na to
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Obviously, yan, mga
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Three hours, mahigit yan
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Pero, yung topic na to
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About nuclear weapons
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It went on for a few more minutes
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Pero, for some reason
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Interesado yung mga tao
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Na pag-usapan tong part na to
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So, makikisausaw tayo
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Makikisausaw tayo dito sa
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Usapan niya na Joe Rogan
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At saka ni Tucker
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Actually, yung take ni Tucker
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Is very black and white
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Pero, nilagyan niya ng nuance
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Kasi, pag tinanong mo nga naman
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Ng nuclear weapons
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At papatay ka ng mga
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Wala naman talagang upside dun
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Kumbaga, it takes
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A special kind of leader
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This kind of destruction
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Even to their enemies
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Kita mo naman yung mga pictures
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Ng Hiroshima bombing
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At saka yung mga hundreds of thousands
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Were instantly incinerated
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Kasi kasama pa yung
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Diba? Sa Hiroshima parang
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50 to 70 thousand
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Daw yung estimate nila na
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Namatay agad instantly
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Noong tumama yung
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Noong sumabog yung
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At yung fallout pa nun
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Diba? Yung radiation
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Ng nuclear weapons
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It affected people
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May mga nagkaroon ng cancer
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May mga nagkaroon ng mga deformities
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If you think about it
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But of course, we are
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Like I said kanina
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We are here to provide nuance
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Kung bakit ginawa yun
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Yung evil thing na yun
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Na pagbagsak ng bomba
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Na actually bago yun
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Hindi pa naman nila alam talaga
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Kung gaano katindi yung
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Magiging itsura eh
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The world has never seen
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This kind of destruction before
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Kung kailan ulit mangyayari tong ganito
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Kasi nakita yung horror nung ano eh
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Nung after nung Nagasaki, Hiroshima
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Nakita ng mundo talaga
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A holy shit moment in history
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Civilization ending
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Na pwede mo talagang gunawin ng mundo
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Tapos hawak ng mga mga kapangyariang tao sa mundo yun
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Hindi tayo masyadong ano eh
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Hindi tayo masyadong
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Well, affected tayo
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Victima rin tayo ng mga Japanese eh
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A lot of atrocities
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Were done to Filipinos
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During the Japanese occupation
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Nandiyan na yung mga comfort women
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Mga namatay sa gera
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Manila was also leveled by Japanese bombing
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Teka, hanapin natin
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Ganyan na itsura ng ano
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A lot of buildings were
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They were just rebuilt after
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Ginawa ng mga Japanese
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Dito sa Pilipinas
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Tapos nandiyan yung death march
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Filipino soldiers were tortured
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And hindi lang dito sa Pilipinas
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All throughout China
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Ginawa din nila yun
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May mga comfort women din sa Singapore
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Lalo na dito sa China
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Yung Nanjing Massacre
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Grabe yung ginawa nila dyan
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O tignan natin to
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That's 200,000 consensus
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Estimates range from
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Pinatay ng mga Japanese
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Well actually that's
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Women and children
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So talaga namang ano
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And all throughout
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Sa mga territories
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Kasi sa China to eh
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Yung mga prisoners
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Para lang makita kung anong
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Loob ng katawan nila
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Kumbaga hindi sila pinatulog
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So ramdam na ramdam nila
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Tapos binibigyan sila ng
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Mga biological weapons
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And this is just Japan
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They were exterminating
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Noong mga panahon na yun
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Fronts yung ano eh
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At saka yung Pacific
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Hindi ko alam kung
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Ilan yung participation
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At saka sa Australia
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Ang main player talaga
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Were the Americans
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Noong time na yun
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Wala na silang mga
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Wala na silang mga
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Wala na silang mga
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Aircraft carriers
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All that's left to do
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Yung talagang susugod ka na doon
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Parang katulad nung ginawa
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Ng mga allied forces
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Nakita naman natin yung ano
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Yung nangyari sa Normandy
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Ang daming namatay
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Mamatay na sundalo
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Hindi lumaban yung mga Japanese
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May mga nakaabang dyan
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Hindi naman sila magpapahuli
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Kasi walang balak
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Emperor ng Japan dati
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Ito yung mga kampi niya
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Tsaka si Mussolini
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Parang patay na si Mussolini
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Walang nirelease na statement
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It would be a bloody war
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Kung gagawin nila
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Katulad nung ginawa nila
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Sa invasion ng Europe
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Of mass destruction
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One time big time
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Gawin na lang natin
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They made a decision
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The nuclear bombs
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Na iniisip yan eh
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May kilala ka ba na
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Hindi ko rin iniisip
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Ngayon ko nga lang
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Yung mga matatanda
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Mga Amerikano to eh
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Yung consequence nun
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Mga isa yun sa mga
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Pwede mong isisi sa kanila
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Although of course
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Madami namang use
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Ang nuclear energy
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That's one aspect
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Actually, kanina pa tayo
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Nagki-critical think
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Yung mga sinasabi ko kanina
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Parang data gathering
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Critical thinking
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Sa mga victims nila
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Yung pinakang sise
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Diyan na lang natin
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Madaming mga inosenteng
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At saka sa Nagasaki
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Hindi ko na maalala
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For better or for worse
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By the Japanese people
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Inang beses na rin silang
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For their war crimes
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Yung mga pinupuntahan
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Dun sa mga shrines
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If I'm gonna ask you
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You're gonna have to
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Personalities involved
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Countries involved
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Conspiracy theories
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At the end of the day
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Hanging in the balance
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Axis powers na to
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Mga pasista sila eh
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Ang motivation nila
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Asia is for Asians
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Nililiberate natin
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At the end of the day
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Very authoritarian
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They have lost control
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With their soldiers
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That it would take
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Sinagenggiskan dati
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Parang gusto lang nilang
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Magpalawak ng teritoryo
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Yun ang isang weakness nila
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Kasi kung naging ah
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For better or for worse
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Blunder na nangyari din
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They remade the world eh
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Yung mga boundaries
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Especially in Africa
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Na mali sa mundo ngayon
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Somewhat related dyan
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You can trace it back
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Pati sa Afghanistan
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Pati sa Middle East
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Involved pa rin dyan
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Dinistribute nung mga
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Hindi na consider
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Nung nagsialisan sila dun
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If you're gonna ask me
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Kung nararapat ba
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Para sa akin kasi
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Wala ka na magagawa
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It is already done
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That's left to do
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Is to learn from it
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Yun talaga yung ano eh
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Yun talaga yung essence
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Nung conversation ni
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Joe Rogan at saka ni Tucker
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Knowing what you know
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Nakatulad ng atom bomb
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When everybody says
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Meron din talaga siyang
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Depending kung gaano ka
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Doon sa mga pinapaniwalaan mo
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Paniniwala mo dyan
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Sa mga propaganda
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Becoming sentient
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Sagabal lang sa mundo
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People needs to be
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Alam na ng mga gobyerno
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Ka-destructive ang atomic bomb
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Nagparamihan pa kayo
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Meron akong napanood na
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Yung mga bansa daw
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Na they will never
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To fire nuclear weapons
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Nag-sign dun sa treaty na yun
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So kung walang maukuna
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Kung walang maukuna
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Treaty lang naman yun
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Papel lang naman yun eh
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Anong gagawin natin ngayon?
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Gagamitin mo na lang
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May nuclear weapon pa lang
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Yan yung declared
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Followed by the US
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Destroy the world
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Ginamit yun lahat
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So gunaw na yung mundo
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So may ilang thousands pa
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So pwede ka ulit gumawa
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Ganun ulit kadami
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Gugunawin mo ulit
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Magugunaw mo ang mundo
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That we have right now
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And it begs the question
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Kung alam mo na ganun
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Ganun kadelikado ito
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Bakit ginawa mo pa rin?
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Kumakain ka ng bagay
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Magbibigay sa'yo ng cancer
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Yun yung dilemma ngayon
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So itong creative thing
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We're not gonna do anything about it
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I suppose this podcast is
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There's another level
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I'm gonna talk about
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One of these days
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Balik na lang tayo dito sa philosophical
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There are lots of parallels
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Sinabi ko na kanina
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Nafo-foreseen na nung mga
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You don't even need to be ano eh
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Hindi mo kailangan maging astrophysicist
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Magkakandaletsi-letsi ang mundo
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Pag napabayaan ng
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Ngayon pa nga lang
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Nararamdaman na natin yan eh
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AI had been utilized to
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A lot of nefarious
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From political propagandas
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Nagkakaroon ng bagong
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Noong lumabas yung mid-journey
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People were mind-blown already
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Pero nakita mo may mga
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Like yung hindi marunong gumawa
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There are still many
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Just one year later
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From static images
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Na ginagawa ng mid-journey
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Meron ng AI na video
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Kung ginagawa niya
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Tapos gagawa ka ng video
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Magta-type ka lang
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Magkakamga ng video
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One year pa lang yun
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One year has passed
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Tapos nandun ka na
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Yung pagpaprogress ng AI
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I've never seen anything
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Makakarating dito
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Terminator talaga
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What kind of form
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Tucker and Joe Rogan
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Playing with fire
