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pag-aaral, and this was made public recently,
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galing po ito sa mga eksperto galing from the University of the Philippines.
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Okay, meron po isang marine research survey na isinigawa
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dyan po sa may bahagi po ng Mag-Asa Island, dun po sa Sandike.
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And then napag-alaman po na, ang term na ginamit nila,
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yung Sandike daw ay nasa degraded state, ayon dito sa Philippine Marine Study.
01:24.3
And then meron pong suspecha na, bakit kaya?
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Kasi may nakakita po, namataan, na pile of corals.
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Kumbaga sinira, pinulbos, okay?
01:33.9
And very unnatural daw yun, mukha daw man-made.
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So ang suspecha ay mukhang meron na naman po ginagawang kababalaghan ang China dyan po sa area na yan.
01:43.3
Sinisira po yung coral reefs, and baka raw magtatayo ng tinatawag na artificial islands.
01:49.3
Yung pag-uusapan natin ngayon, and then recently po,
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nag-announce na naman po,
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naglabas po ng pahayag yung Chinese Embassy in Manila,
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claiming na naman, reinforcing their narrative na nagkaroon daw po ng gentleman's agreement
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between the Philippine government under former President Rodrigo Duterte and China
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on how to manage daw the dispute dyan sa West Philippine Sea, in particular dito sa Ayungan Shoal.
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And kung yung agreement na yun daw ay nangyari,
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o napagkasundoan during the previous administration,
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eh under the current administration daw,
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meron daw tinatawag ng new model on how to manage that issue sa Ayungan Shoal.
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Okay, pag-uusapan po natin yung mga issues na yan.
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Kasama po natin ngayong gabi, si former Supreme Court Senior Associate Justice Tony Carpio.
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Good evening, sir, and thank you for joining us dito po sa Facts First.
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Magandang gabi, Christian. Magandang gabi sa mga viewers natin.
02:43.4
Okay. Una nga, sir, pakiexplain po itong issue dito sa Sandy Cay na pag-alaman nitong Philippine Marine Study.
02:51.7
Nang unang-unaan na ba itong Sandy Cay?
02:53.5
And bakit napaka-importante niyan para sa Pilipinas po?
02:57.7
Yung Sandy Cay, sa arbitration, may diskasyon doon whether that is high tide or low tide,
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kasi half of the year, half of the year submerged.
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The rest of the year, you see it above water at high tide, kasi pag dumadating na yung mga storms,
03:21.7
Na didisperse na yung sand. Tapos pag wala namang storm, waves lang, nagbibuild up yung sand.
03:30.4
So diniscuss yun ng tribunal. So sabi ng tribunal, kahit na itabi mo yung sand decay, yung Subi Reef is still part of the territorial sea of Pag-asa.
03:51.7
Pero pag isla talaga yung sand decay, well, that Subi Reef is part of the territorial sea of sand decay.
04:02.0
Itong sand decay naman, submerged siyan dati. But because of the island building ng China sa Subi Reef, ang corals doon, pinulberize nila.
04:16.6
So yung part of the pulverized corals, nag-drift sa sand decay.
04:21.0
So lumaki yung sand decay. So naging above water at high tide.
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Ang sabi ng tribunal, pag isla talaga yung sand decay, ang Subi Reef will be part of the territorial sea of sand decay.
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Pero because sand decay is within our territorial sea, ang principle sa international law,
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pag may biglang isla na sumulban,
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sumulpot dyan sa territorial sea mo, sa inyo yun.
04:54.8
Yung isla na yun belongs to the state that owns the territorial sea.
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So sumulpot lang itong, this sand decay appeared suddenly and became an island,
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then that should belong to the Philippines.
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Pero nakita ng China na if they grab sand decay,
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then yung Subi Reef will be part of the territorial sea.
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Then yung Subi Reef will be part of the territorial sea.
05:21.0
Then yung Subi Reef will be part of the territorial sea of sand decay.
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So nagka-idea sila na kukunin nila yung sand decay.
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So unang ginawa nila, sinurround muna nila ng mga maritime militia nila yung sand decay.
05:39.4
So hindi na tayo makakapunta doon.
05:42.1
The BIFAR wanted to go there with their ship pero turned away sila.
05:47.5
Yung mga mangingis na natin from...
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From pag-asa, hindi na rin pwede lumapit.
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So ang suspicion ng iba, dinadagdaga ng mga Chinese yung sand para lumaki yung sand decay
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para maging permanently above water at high tide.
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Pag permanently above water at high tide, then may territorial sea na sasakupin ng Subi Reef.
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So they are trying to cease Subi Reef...
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Sand decay from us para yung Subi Reef will become part of the territorial sea of sand decay.
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So yun yun ang background.
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So yung pumunta yung ating mga marine research scientists doon, nakita nila yung pile of rubble na yun ang dinadagdag nila sa sand decay.
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So dapat bantayan natin kasi we have to document na yung sand decay is actually man-made.
06:50.0
Kasi pag man-made yan, walang territorial sea.
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Under onclose, ang isang geologic feature na above water at high tide, like sandbar or rocks,
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pag above water at high tide, naturally formed, magkakaroon yan ng 12 nautical mile territorial sea.
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Pero pag man-made, artificial island, walang territorial sea yan.
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So surreptitiously, sinisikreto nila yung pag-build up ng isla.
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Kaya mabuti na lang, nakita natin na mayroon pala silang tinatago ng mga rubble doon na dinadagdag nila doon sa sand decay.
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So yun ang situation ngayon.
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Simplihan po natin na kasi medyo technical to. Mas maganda kami mapatay rito.
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Tama po ba itong sand decay na pinag-uusapan natin na sa pagitan ng Subi na kontrolado ng China at pag-asa na kontrolado ng Pilipinas?
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Okay. So pinapalabas ang China ngayon.
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Ang suspensya, gusto niyang gawing isla itong sand decay.
07:56.2
Pero hindi ba obvious na man-made ito? Yan ang ginagawa nila?
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It's basically reclamation? And wouldn't that make their claim ridiculous?
08:05.0
Well, yun nga, gabi siguro nila tinatambak yung sand o yung rubble para lumaki yung sand decay.
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Hindi natin napansin yun noon. Suspicion lang yan.
08:17.0
Yung mga fishermen natin, yan ang kwento sa akin na paggabi, nagugulat sila kasi ang dami nila doon ginagawa.
08:27.4
Pero kasi hindi sila makalapit.
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Pero ngayon, yung pumunta yung ating mga marine scientists, they went there, nag-scuba dive sila, they were able to take pictures of the rubble na halata naman na linagay doon.
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Kasi hindi naman pwede.
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Kasi biglang magkumpol-kumpol yung mga coral rubble.
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So, pag ma-document natin yan, later on, we can go to the tribunal na hindi naturally formed yan.
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So, walang territorial sea yan.
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Pero even then, napaka-ridiculous, highly suspicious na bigla siya naging isla sa kasagsagan itong conflict na ito.
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And for so many years, hindi siya ganun. Hindi ganun siya ang feature.
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Well, during the arbitration, ang sabi ng mga lawyers natin sa discussion, half of the year, above water at high tide.
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Pero pag may mga malakas na alo na didisperse, so below, it's submerged at high tide.
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ang ginawa ng China, dagdagan nila.
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Dinagdagan nila yung sand para above water at high tide permanently.
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Yun ang objective nila.
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Kasi, alam mo na, right now, we have sea level rise, no?
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So, ang tingin ng China, lumulubog na lumulubog yung isla.
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Kasi, yung sea level tumataas eh.
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So, they have to keep on adding sand.
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Just to keep it above water at high tide.
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Yun ang ano ngayon.
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That's their problem now.
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They have to keep on adding sand.
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Kasi, because of sea level rise, lulubog talaga yan.
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Ngayon po, as you speak, who has control?
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Or who is in possession of the sand decay?
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Well, ang ginawa ng China, katulad ng ginawa nila sa Scarborough Shoal,
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pinaligiran nila ang mga maritime militia.
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hindi nila pwede i-occupy eh.
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Kasi, the 2002 Declaration of Conduct requires na
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all unoccupied features as of 2002 should not be occupied.
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So, they don't want to break that.
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They want to, for some reason, they want to honor that up to now, no?
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So, hindi sila, katulad sa Scarborough Shoal,
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they have not built on Scarborough Shoal,
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although they control it.
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Kasi, pinaligiran nila ng maritime militia nila.
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When will they build?
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Hindi natin alam.
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But, of course, the fact that they are surrounding it, may intention talaga sila.
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So, dito sa sand decay, ganyan din ginawa nila.
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Pinaligiran nila ng mga maritime militia.
11:24.0
So, yung mga fishermen natin, yung BIFAR, hindi na makapunta doon.
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Lately lang, nakapunta sila.
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Kasi, siguro, biglang umalis sila for some reason.
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Pumunta yun, dumating yung ating mga scientist.
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But, yung nakita nila, they were trying to scare our scientist, no?
11:44.5
Yung helicopter, bumaba, eh.
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Nagkaroon ng, yung sand lumipad, eh.
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Because of the propeller of the, ano.
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So, natakot nga yung mga marine scientist natin.
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So, yun ang situation ngayon.
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They're trying to maintain it above water.
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Kasi, because of the sea.
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Because of the sea level rise, dadagdaga ng dadagdaga nila.
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Because of that, we can claim na man-made na yan.
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Kasi, dapat naturally form yung island, eh.
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Pero, sir, nga, kung sakaling mag-succeed ang China dito sa kanilang island building, dito sa sand decay,
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would that legitimize their claim to sand decay at saka doon sa occupied na Subi Reef nila?
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Or, baka naman, by law, hindi pa rin yung legitimate.
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But, for all intents and purposes,
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Well, ganyan din.
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Katulad ng Scarborough Shoal, disputed yan.
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They will claim na, since they control now sand decay,
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at saka sand decay isla, may 12 nautical mile territorial sea,
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then yung Subi Reef within their territorial sea.
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Exactly what they've done to Scarborough Shoal, yan ang gagawin nila sa sand decay.
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Kung sakali rin po mag-succeed sila sa island building sa sand decay,
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how would this affect pag-asa island?
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Well, ang mangyari yan, yung territorial sea between pag-asa and sand decay,
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Kasi under the ongklos, pag may dalawang isla, kahit na maliit yung isa, malaki yung isa,
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pag territorial sea, parang hatik kapatid yan, sa median line yan.
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So, in short, mababawasan yung ating interest dito.
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Ang estimate ko, we will lose mga one-third of the territorial sea of pag-asa.
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Mawawala sa atin.
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Para din, ano, malinaw yung paliwanag kasi maraming nanonood sa atin, no?
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Medyo ohaw din sa paliwanag na simple.
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Pag sinabing territorial sea, what are the things that we can exercise within our territorial sea?
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Well, yung territorial sea, territory in the sea.
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Yan ang meaning yan.
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Yung territory on the land, we understand that, no?
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Pero sa dagat, tinatawag territorial sea.
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That's territory in the sea.
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Ang rights natin dyan, exactly the same as our rights sa land territory.
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Except may innocent passage.
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Other foreign countries can pass there on innocent passage.
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In other words, straight and continuous passage.
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Hindi sila pwede paligoy-ligoy.
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Hindi sila pwede mangingisda.
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Hindi sila pwede mag-survey.
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Innocent passage.
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Ladaan lang sila.
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Yun ang difference.
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Sa land territory, walang innocent passage.
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So ngayon, clearly, yung Sandy Cay po ay pasok sa ating territorial sea.
14:49.4
Kasi mga 3 nautical miles lang yan from Pag-asa eh.
14:54.6
Yung territorial sea natin, 12 eh.
14:58.0
So lumalabas dito, China is encroaching on our territory.
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So pasensya na sa mga viewers.
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Iniisa-isa natin para malina yung pagkakalatag.
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So in that case, what can we do?
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Kasi sila yung nakabarikada dyan.
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Siguro for lack of a better term, using their maritime militia vessels.
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What can we do since China clearly is encroaching on our territorial sea?
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Well, what we can do is document na they are piling sand on the Sandy Cay.
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Para later on, if we can bring it to arbitration,
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mapatunayan natin na man-made yan, hindi yan naturally formed.
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Second, we keep on protesting na atin yan.
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At saka dapat yan, papadala tayo ng papadala doon ng mangingisda natin.
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At saka katulad ng ginagawa natin sa Scarborough Shoal,
15:56.7
we will patrol the area kasi territorial sea natin yan eh.
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Kasi nga po dito.
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Pwede pa pag hindi natin ginawa yan, parang it's as if we're agreeing to China's moves or actions in that area.
16:12.6
Actually, Christian, in 2017-2018, lumabas na itong issue na ito.
16:21.6
Yung ating Navy, alam nila na aangkinin ng China yung Sandy Cay at saka magkakaproblema
16:29.2
kasi magkakaroon ng territorial sea yung Sandy Cay,
16:32.6
mawawala sa atin yung Subiriff.
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At saka we will lose one-third of the territorial sea of Pag-asa.
16:38.6
So, ang plano nila, maglalagay ng mga fisherman shelter para mauna tayo doon.
16:46.6
So, pero yung tinatayo na natin yung fisherman shelter, nag-complain ang China to Duterte.
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Si Duterte naman, hininto yung ating Navy.
16:57.6
Hininto yung pagtayo ng mga fisherman shelter sa Sandy Cay.
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So, yung hininto natin, ang ginama ng China, pinaligiran nila yung Sandy Cay ng maritime militia natin.
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Yung Sandy Cay, pinaligiran nila ng maritime militia nila.
17:18.6
So, yun ang nangyari.
17:20.6
In fact, we knew.
17:22.6
Alam ng Navy natin na kukunin yan ng China, kaya inunahan natin.
17:26.6
Kaya lang hininto sila ni Duterte.
17:29.6
You can go to the old newspaper clip, articles, nakalagay doon.
17:35.6
Duterte stopped our Navy from putting fisherman shelter on Sandy Cay.
17:40.6
Ngayon, nagkiklaim.
17:45.6
So, congratulations po kay former President Rodrigo Duterte.
17:50.6
Mukha bang ipinamigay practically yung ating Sandy Cay because of that decision.
17:58.6
I wrote about that na kasi nagyayabang yung Duterte administration na during their term, they did not lose an island to China.
18:12.6
Ito, sabi ko, ito, you lost it, Sandy Cay.
18:15.6
Kasi yung ating may video sa YouTube, yung mayor ng pag-asa nag-complain sa YouTube.
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Sabi niya, hindi na kami makapunta doon sa Sandy Cay.
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Dati, pumupunta kami doon, mangingisda kami.
18:30.6
Pagpagod na kami, nagbe-beach yung ship na, yung bangka namin.
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Sasagsad namin doon para magpahinga.
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Ngayon, sabi niya, hindi na namin magagawa kasi pinaligiran na ng mga Chinese maritime militia vessel.
18:48.6
So, that means controlled ng China.
18:52.6
Kasi pinayagan ni, pinagbawal ni...
18:55.6
former President Duterte na tayuan natin ng fisherman shelter eh.
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Again, congratulations po kay former President Rodrigo Duterte.
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Shoutout po sa inyo.
19:05.6
Maraming salamat sa pagpapamigay po ng ating Sandy Cay na pasok po sa ating territorial sea sa China.
19:11.6
Justice, puntahan naman po natin itong statement ng Chinese Embassy in Manila.
19:18.6
Diba kasi maraming bumanat doon sa gentleman's agreement na di umano ay napagkasundoan
19:24.6
under the previous administration.
19:26.6
Pero may bago, may latest statement ng Chinese Embassy in Manila.
19:30.6
Claiming na, hindi, pati ang current administration pumayag doon sa new model
19:34.6
on how to manage the so-called dispute dyan sa Yongin Shoal.
19:37.6
What do you think of this po?
19:39.6
Well, lahat na government officials are denying si DND Secretary Chudoro.
19:49.6
Sabi niya, wala kaming...
19:51.6
We did not agree to any new model.
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Si Año, Secretary Año of the National Security Advisors.
19:59.6
Sabi niya, we did not agree.
20:01.6
Tsaka yung DFA nagsalita rin na we did not agree.
20:06.6
Tsaka yung Western Command.
20:08.6
Kasi tinuturo ng Chinese Embassy na yung Western Command ang pumayag.
20:14.6
Nagsalita rin yung Western Command, the spokesperson, si Commodore Trinidad.
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Sabi niya, walang ganyan.
20:22.6
So, this is totally disinformation by China.
20:26.6
Sinasabi lang, they cannot name a person eh.
20:29.6
Basta sinabi lang, pumayag.
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Tsaka, bawal yun eh.
20:33.6
Kasi under protocol, they cannot talk directly to our lower echelon officials.
20:45.6
If they want anything, they have to talk to the Department of Foreign Affairs.
20:48.6
Hindi naman sila pwede dumerecho eh.
20:50.6
Pero ang ginagawa nila, dumederecho sila.
20:53.6
Yung mga kausap nila ng mga junior military officers, hindi naman nila alam ano yung tungkulin ng mga embassy.
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Kaya pala, kinakausap sila, tapos sasabihin na ngayon yung embassy official, oh, pumayag na ang Pilipinas.
21:12.6
Eh wala namang authority to agree.
21:14.6
Walang authority to negotiate yung mga junior military officers.
21:19.6
In the meantime, tayo ngayon po yung nag-aaway-aaway, no?
21:23.6
Hindi na mag-aaway-aaway.
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So, they should. Kasi ang protocol, yung Chinese embassy or any foreign embassy must course their request to the Department of Foreign Affairs.
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Hindi, they cannot just interfere in our domestic affairs.
21:41.6
Pero hindi po pa malinaw na yan. Kasi nagsalita na rin yung Presidente, diba? Dati pa, last year.
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Kung nagkaroon naman ng kahit ano agreement whatsoever, that he wants to negotiate, hindi po pa malinaw na yan. Kasi nagsalita na rin yung Presidente, diba? Dati pa, last year.
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Kung nagkaroon naman ng kahit ano agreement whatsoever, that he wants to negotiate, hindi po pa malinaw na yan. Kasi nagsalita na rin yung Presidente, diba? Dati pa, last year.
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Kasi nagsalita na rin yung Presidente, diba? Dati pa, last year.
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Eh pagtemporary, can't be rescinded anytime. So, yan ang ginawa ni Presidente Marcos Junior. Dating ko yun si Presidente Marcos Junior. Sabi niya, pag mayroon mga ganyan na agreement, Temporary Special Arrangement, then, I rescind it now.
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Dito po, Justice,
22:20.6
marami rin ako nadidinig na tanong na ganito.
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Kasi idea ng treason, sabi nila,
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pag in the context of war lang,
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pwede ba itong gamitin sa mga katulad ni Duterte
22:29.0
doon sa ginawa niya
22:30.3
sa Philippine interests ng China?
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O kung stretch man yun,
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paano ba pwedeng mapanagot yung dating presidente
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dito sa mga ginawa niya
22:38.2
in favor of China
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to the point that he actually
22:42.8
compromised Philippine interests?
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ang ano dyan, that's culpable violation
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of the Constitution,
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ang impeachable yan.
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Pero hindi mo na siya ma-impeach siya kasi wala na siya
22:56.5
sa opisina. Pero meron pa rin
22:58.4
violation ng anti-graft law
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kasi under the anti-graft law,
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who causes undue injury
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or to the government
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through inexcusable negligence
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or evident bad faith.
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yung pinagbawalan niya yung mga
23:17.9
fishermen natin to fish in the
23:20.1
lagoon of Scarborough Shoal
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e prejudicial yan sa mga
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Filipino fishermen, no?
23:28.0
Yung mga artisan fishermen
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ang hanap buhay lang nila
23:33.5
is to get fish, to fish
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in Scarborough Shoal kasi
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that's a rich fishing
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ground. Kaya they really
23:42.0
want to go to Scarborough Shoal.
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So, yung sumangayon
23:47.9
bawal na pumasok ang mga fishermen
23:53.0
ng Scarborough Shoal,
23:54.5
that's prejudicial. Kasi sabi ng
23:57.7
that's a common fishing ground
24:00.3
of Filipino fishermen, Chinese
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fishermen, and Vietnamese fishermen
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including the lagoon.
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Kasi yung lagoon naman, territorial sea yan eh.
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Kasi hindi naman yan
24:12.7
There are only a few,
24:28.9
Walang internal waters
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dyan. That's all territorial sea, no?
24:34.0
that is prejudicial to our
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poor Filipino fishermen.
24:40.4
file a case against Duterte.
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Hindi po inisip ko minsan,
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kasi sa dami ng mga ganitong
24:46.2
nangyayari. So, public naman yung
24:48.8
karamihan dyan. So, kailangan
24:50.8
talaga may magkaso dun sa dating
24:52.8
Pangulo, siting this ground.
24:56.6
Anybody affected, no?
24:58.4
Yung the government affected rin.
25:00.8
that's against also sovereignty,
25:06.1
pinagbawalan niya yung Navy and
25:08.5
Coast Guard natin na pumasok sa
25:10.2
sarili nating territorial sea
25:12.2
sa Scarborough Shoal. That's again,
25:14.2
against national interest. At saka
25:16.2
pinagbawalan niya yung
25:18.4
mga fishermen natin to
25:22.5
Scarborough Shoal, the lagoon.
25:26.1
the right. Kasi sabi ng Arbitral Tribunal,
25:28.5
may traditional fishing right
25:32.2
fishermen to fish in the territorial
25:34.4
waters. Yung territorial waters
25:36.4
naman including in the lagoon
25:38.2
kasi hindi naman enclosed dyan eh.
25:42.1
current government, current administration can
25:44.2
file that case against him?
25:48.5
Including the, ano, the
25:54.1
Masagay, sir. Maraming maraming salamat po
25:55.9
Justice Tony Carpio for
25:58.1
joining us and for explaining these things.
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Maraming salamat po, sir. Thank you po.
26:03.6
Maraming salamat,
26:04.7
Christian. Maraming salamat sa viewers
26:06.3
natin. Okay. Thank you po.
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Supreme Court Senior Associate Justice
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Meron po tayong pag-uusapan na magpaki-alis na
26:18.2
kasi nabanggit na rin ni Justice
26:20.9
disinformation na pinagagawa ng China.
26:24.1
So, meron po tayong part 2. May pag-uusapan
26:26.3
tayo. Kasi isa po sa mga
26:28.3
tinatarget din ang Chinese
26:30.1
influence operations. Yung influence
26:32.3
operations, ito po yung parang umbrella
26:34.1
term to refer to the different
26:35.9
strategies and approaches by let's say
26:38.0
China to influence let's say
26:40.2
mindsets, policy.
26:44.2
the issue of the West Philippine Sea.
26:46.3
And a common target po rito yung mga
26:47.9
journalist. Yung mga nagko-cover
26:49.4
ng issue po dyan sa
26:52.0
West Philippine Sea. Kasi ngayon medyo kakaiba
26:54.1
po. Kasi siguro noong unang panahon
26:55.9
hindi pa ganun ka-pronounce yung
27:00.2
Pero ngayon kasi nakikita natin tumataas
27:02.2
yung level of aggression
27:03.9
ng China dito sa sarili nating bakuran.
27:07.0
kami rin mismo sa industry
27:09.8
napapag-usapan, paano ba dapat
27:14.2
How do you remain
27:22.2
situation? So recently
27:24.2
naglabas po ng statement
27:26.2
ang Foreign Correspondents Association of the
27:30.2
sa kanila pong pahayag on the equation of
27:32.2
the World Press Freedom Day,
27:34.2
which was last May 3,
27:36.2
meron bahagi ng kanilang statement
27:38.2
kung saan sinabi nila na
27:40.2
over the past year, as geopolitical tensions in the region continue to rise,
27:41.2
over the past year, as geopolitical tensions in the region continue to rise,
27:41.3
over the past year, as geopolitical tensions in the region continue to rise,
27:43.3
FOCAP has monitored a new threat against journalists working in the Philippines.
27:50.3
Ito raw yung Malign Influence Operations Indicative of Foreign Interference.
27:56.3
The organization has recorded a case of blah blah blah.
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Magsasalitain ko na yung guest natin.
28:02.3
Siya po yung Vice President ng
28:06.3
Foreign Correspondents Association of the Philippines.
28:08.3
I'd like to welcome to our program
28:10.3
si Regine Cabato.
28:12.3
Regine, good evening.
28:14.3
Thank you for joining us dito sa Facts First again.
28:16.3
Good evening, Ian.
28:18.3
Thank you for having me on.
28:19.3
Good evening sa mga viewers natin.
28:23.3
May naisip po kong joke pero hindi ko nilang sabihan.
28:27.3
Saan ka nga uli nagsusulat?
28:29.3
Joke lang. Okay. Anyway.
28:31.3
Si Regine po, Vice President ng
28:33.3
Foreign Correspondents Association of the Philippines.
28:35.3
Paki-explain nga dun sa mga hindi familiar dito.
28:37.3
Ano ba tong FOCAP?
28:39.3
Okay. So yung FOCAP,
28:41.3
we were founded in the 1970s
28:44.3
during the time of the dictatorship.
28:47.3
Isa po kaming club saka organization
28:50.3
ng mga foreign correspondents.
28:52.3
So karamihan sa amin,
28:54.3
mixed nationality kami.
28:56.3
So we have Filipino members,
28:58.3
we have members from all over the world.
29:00.3
But all of us, and we have freelancers also.
29:02.3
Generally, yung mga members ng FOCAP,
29:04.3
nagsusulat po whether in staff capacity
29:06.3
or as freelancers or contractors.
29:08.3
Para sa different news organizations,
29:10.3
the who come from all over the world.
29:16.3
and even other countries in Asia
29:18.3
such as Japan and China as well.
29:24.3
ma-disabuse natin yung utak ng iba na
29:26.3
pag sinabi yung FOCAP, hindi po sila puro foreigner.
29:28.3
Karamihan po diyan Pilipino.
29:30.3
Ayan, Pilipino po si Regine.
29:32.3
Pinay na Pinay yan si Regine.
29:34.3
So basically yung audience ng FOCAP journalist,
29:40.3
Okay, hindi lang Pilipinas.
29:42.3
Okay, talk to us about this.
29:44.3
Lumabas ang statement nyo recently
29:46.3
na you're basically raising the
29:48.3
raising alarm over
29:50.3
the malign influence operations indicative
29:52.3
of foreign interference.
29:54.3
Tumbukan na natin, China ba ito?
29:58.3
ito yung mahirap sabihin Christian.
30:00.3
Kasi syempre, yung
30:02.3
attacks na na-record namin, puro anonymous yan.
30:06.3
they have to do with South China Sea,
30:08.3
or they're targeting journalists
30:10.3
covering South China Sea.
30:14.3
masasabi kung kanina ba talaga
30:16.3
galing yung source.
30:18.3
What we can do is just infer.
30:20.3
Kaya ginamit po natin yung word na indicative
30:22.3
of foreign interference.
30:24.3
So to kind of walk you guys through
30:26.3
kung ano yung mga sample
30:30.3
na na-encounter natin sa mga members natin.
30:32.3
Yung isa na na-mention dyan sa statement natin,
30:38.3
Nag-record kami ng isang
30:42.3
a journalist from a member
30:46.3
parang nagkaroon ng
30:48.3
fake email sa isang government agency
30:50.3
claiming to be that journalist,
30:52.3
claiming to be a foreign correspondent
30:54.3
trying to fish for
30:56.3
information on South China Sea.
30:58.3
Pero pinadala yun from
31:00.3
a Google email at hindi galing sa company
31:04.3
Wait, sorry Regina.
31:06.3
When you say fish information about the
31:08.3
West Philippine Sea, ano yung nature?
31:10.3
Ano yung information na gusto niya makuha?
31:12.3
At anong government agency ito?
31:14.3
Okay, the government
31:16.3
agency, I'm not sure if I'm at liberty actually
31:18.3
to disclose what government
31:22.3
Sabihin na natin it's a government agency
31:26.3
respond to that particular
31:28.3
email. We'll have to
31:30.3
ask of course for the consent ng member
31:32.3
tsaka ng agency concerned.
31:34.3
And we're still in the fact-finding process.
31:36.3
So that's why very general pa muna yung
31:38.3
statement natin while we're still trying
31:40.3
to go through the details din
31:42.3
with our members.
31:44.3
When we say this...
31:46.3
Give us an idea on how grave
31:48.3
the situation was. Kasi medyo nakakaalam
31:50.3
yung sinasabi niyo. So meron
31:52.3
nagpanggap na kunwari journalist
31:56.3
Tapos sumulat sa isang government agency
31:58.3
kumukuha ng detalya tungkol sa
32:00.3
West Philippine Sea. Basically, name person
32:02.3
ay kaya ginagamit kayo.
32:04.3
Yung example na yun, that particular journalist.
32:06.3
So nakakaalarm yun kasi kung medyo
32:08.3
tao dito na-naive
32:10.3
yung ano, okay, na-auto yung government
32:12.3
agency, eh pwede mag-release ng information.
32:14.3
Diba? That's true.
32:16.3
And that's why also we released
32:18.3
this statement. Para magiging aware
32:22.3
public, also government agents.
32:24.3
It's a cue to all the people who might
32:26.3
be working with FOCAP to double
32:28.3
check and verify.
32:30.3
If journalists reach out to them and try to see
32:32.3
if you know any of our members,
32:34.3
try to cross-check
32:36.3
precisely because we recorded a case
32:38.3
like this. At may danger
32:40.3
yan. So we're still trying to find
32:44.3
Pero sa pagkakaalam ko,
32:46.3
if I recall correctly, in this particular
32:50.3
it was trying to seek information
32:52.3
or some form of comment from
32:54.3
this agency regarding
32:56.3
an issue related to South China Sea.
32:58.3
However, hindi nga nag-release
33:00.3
respond yung government because they found
33:02.3
the email suspicious.
33:04.3
Paano nalaman ng journalist na
33:06.3
merong ganun nangyari? That he or
33:08.3
she was being impersonated?
33:10.3
Yung agency yung nakalaman.
33:14.3
flinag sa colleagues dito sa
33:16.3
Pilipinas ng government
33:20.3
Ano pa iba example yung mga nakakita nyo? Kasi
33:22.3
nakalagay dito, uptick in messages to
33:24.3
journalists from fake or
33:26.3
suspicious email addresses.
33:28.3
Ayan, kasama ka dyan, Ian, diba?
33:32.3
Last year, we received,
33:34.3
kasama rin ako dito, we received
33:40.3
address or person.
33:42.3
And tell me, Ian, kung pareho ba yung
33:44.3
experience mo? Kasi ako, I
33:46.3
received it twice. Supposedly
33:50.3
of the same name, pero
33:52.3
each email had a different
33:54.3
email address. Na medyo
33:56.3
suspicious kind of spamming,
34:00.3
Kasi magkaiba yung domain or something along
34:02.3
those lines, no? So parang
34:04.3
unang red flag yun.
34:06.3
And if we got the same email,
34:10.3
trying to get journalists to write about
34:12.3
Vietnam occupation in South
34:14.3
China Sea. Pareho.
34:16.3
Kaya we should talk about
34:18.3
this. And kaya rin namin linabas yung statement
34:20.3
na to, no? So that journalists are aware na medyo
34:22.3
it might be a little more widespread
34:24.3
than we actually think it is.
34:26.3
So we're trying to get a rough head count of how
34:28.3
many people got it. So sa pagkakaalam
34:30.3
ko naman, wala namang
34:32.3
journalist na pumatol
34:34.3
or some people tried to prove and
34:38.3
didn't respond or hindi ma-verify yung identity.
34:40.3
So hindi naman nilang nagawa
34:42.3
yung mission nila to sway the news
34:46.3
But it's definitely important
34:48.3
that we talk about it. Kasi once we started
34:50.3
talking about it, we also realized na
34:52.3
we were all getting the same email but from
34:54.3
different email addresses.
34:56.3
Diba? So isa rin ninyo yung
34:58.3
red flag in order for
35:00.3
us to be able to tell
35:02.3
that this is not an organic
35:04.3
operation, diba? Hindi siya
35:06.3
organic na whistleblower.
35:08.3
Dito sa mga viewers natin,
35:10.3
baka hindi sila masyadong nakaka-relate
35:12.3
doon sa specific na nangyari na yun, no?
35:14.3
Kasi pag journalist, nakakatanggap
35:16.3
kami ng mga tips kung saan saan.
35:18.3
And of course, we verified those tips.
35:20.3
Pero in this particular case na binabanggit
35:22.3
ng Regine, parang ho pala kami nang
35:24.3
pinag-uusapan. We received an email
35:26.3
from this suspicious account.
35:28.3
Sinasabi, parang ano siya eh, yung tinititili
35:32.3
gusto niya, uy meron akong scoop sa'yo.
35:34.3
Diba? Isulat nyo to. Tapos
35:36.3
nandun na lahat ng detalye. Diba?
35:38.3
So kung hindi ka nag-iisip,
35:40.3
okay na to. Hindi ka nag-verify, pwede mo
35:42.3
namang isulat, diba? Pero mukha
35:44.3
siyang consistent doon sa Chinese propaganda
35:46.3
na nilalayo yung heat
35:50.3
papunta sa Vietnam. Bakit yung Vietnam
35:52.3
hindi nyo pinag-iinitan? Parang
35:54.3
ganun yung tono niya, diba? Oo.
35:56.3
Tapos very ano pa siya eh,
36:00.3
part ng email na parang, I am a concerned
36:02.3
Filipino citizen. Pero Filipino
36:06.3
nagsulat nito? Kasi medyo sketchy yung
36:08.3
email, ganun. Yung
36:10.3
isa medyo may typo sa Filipino
36:12.3
name. So kaya medyong
36:16.3
Tapos ayaw magpakita in person
36:18.3
or to verify yung actual
36:20.3
identity. Oo nga eh.
36:22.3
Pinaghihirapan pa nila eh. Magbasa ka lang na
36:24.3
ilang kolumnista rito eh.
36:26.3
Out and out naman yung
36:28.3
out and out naman yung pagiging Chinese
36:30.3
propagandist nila, diba?
36:34.3
Dumidiskarte pa sa
36:36.3
backdoor kasi yung iba eh. Anyway, ano pa yung
36:38.3
mga nakakita ng examples? So much so that you
36:40.3
had to raise this in a formal
36:42.3
statement. Ano pa yung ibang napansin
36:44.3
nyo? Well, yung isang na-mention din
36:48.3
statement namin ay may member
36:50.3
kami na nakapag-record ng attempted
36:52.3
hack sa kanyang account. But I have
36:54.3
to clarify iyan. At sinabi rin namin ito sa
36:56.3
statement namin. Ang pinaflag
36:58.3
lang ng Google or ng
37:00.3
email server ay attempted hack from
37:02.3
a government. We don't really know
37:04.3
which government it is, no?
37:06.3
So that's just something
37:08.3
to be mindful of.
37:12.3
it could be any government
37:14.3
pretty much but, and that's why
37:16.3
we added the qualifier na hindi pa clear
37:18.3
ang source ng threats. But
37:20.3
if you put all of these
37:24.3
then it's something just to be
37:26.3
mindful about, no? Hindi
37:28.3
naman natin sinasabi that
37:32.3
to throw people into a panic or say that
37:34.3
this is something
37:36.3
that people are falling for, ganyan. Sa pagkakaalam
37:40.3
naaagapan, quote-unquote,
37:42.3
yung ganitong influence
37:44.3
operations because people
37:46.3
just don't fall for them or journalists just
37:48.3
don't fall for them, at least so far.
37:50.3
So hindi pa gaano ka-sophisticate
37:54.3
operations na ito, no?
37:56.3
There's an article that came out
37:58.3
from the foreign publication
38:00.3
Wired recently about why
38:02.3
China is bad at this
38:04.3
information operations.
38:08.3
for example, in 2020
38:10.3
there was a network
38:12.3
also that Facebook found
38:14.3
that was traced to China
38:16.3
and it was a series
38:18.3
of Facebook accounts na
38:20.3
may AI na profile picture
38:22.3
promoting Chinese
38:24.3
propaganda on West Philippine Sea
38:26.3
also promoting certain
38:28.3
politicians. Pero madali silang
38:34.3
so far, if you have a keen
38:36.3
eye, if you're able to know
38:38.3
and if you look at the emails that
38:40.3
are reaching out to you
38:42.3
if you look at yung trend
38:44.3
madali naman sabihin
38:46.3
na okay troll ito or okay hindi ito
38:50.3
the reason why we wanted to
38:52.3
publicize this is just to make people
38:54.3
aware that this is a phenomenon
38:56.3
that is happening. So that if it happens
38:58.3
to you, it's like they're
39:00.3
throwing stuff at the wall
39:02.3
and they're seeing what sticks.
39:04.3
So people should know that
39:06.3
this is actually happening. So that
39:08.3
if something lands on their inbox, alam
39:10.3
nila that it could be
39:12.3
something suspicious or spammy.
39:14.3
Oo. Pero that's true, no? And we cannot
39:16.3
underestimate China's capability
39:18.3
as far as this information is concerned.
39:20.3
Ito, very concrete example. Diba recently
39:22.3
merong lumabas na YouTube
39:24.3
video, I don't know if you saw it, pero
39:26.3
na-takedown. Tinepeke.
39:28.3
Dine-de-fake yung voice ni
39:30.3
President Bongbong Marcos.
39:32.3
Basically, parang halos gusto niya
39:34.3
mag-declare ng gera against China.
39:38.3
ito dito, ordering military
39:40.3
action. Buti na-takedown. Kasi
39:42.3
clearly peke, pero walang mukha yun, no?
39:46.3
Tapos yung sa mga mahilig dito sa
39:50.3
NBA, National Basketball
39:52.3
Association. Diba natala yung
39:54.3
Lakers sa first round ng
39:56.3
NBA Playoffs against Denver.
39:58.3
Merong lumalabas na video
40:00.3
si Lebron James at saka yung coach
40:02.3
nila si Darvin Ham. Grabe.
40:04.3
Sinisisi yung mga players,
40:06.3
sinisisi yung isa't isa, na alam mo
40:08.3
ordinary lang hindi nila sasabihin.
40:10.3
Pero basically that's a voice
40:12.3
deepfake. Ang galing ng bibig, no?
40:14.3
Unless talaga i-analyze mo yung bibig,
40:16.3
mukha siyang very believable
40:18.3
boses ni Lebron James, boses ni
40:20.3
Darvin Ham, the coach. So yung
40:22.3
ganyan, diba? Siyempre, alam na naman
40:24.3
ng China to eh. Pero kumaga hindi lahat
40:26.3
may keen eye, lalo pag nakita agad, diba?
40:28.3
Tapos mapasukan pa natin nung ano, nung
40:30.3
confirmation bias, diba? Minsan mahirap
40:32.3
talaga mag-double check pag aligned
40:34.3
yung napanood mo o nadinig mo doon sa iniisip mo eh.
40:36.3
So yung pag ganyan, paano nyo ba
40:38.3
dinidiskartehan yan?
40:40.3
Well, may mga ano no, Ian, since na-mention mo na,
40:42.3
AI is just going to get
40:44.3
smarter and it's just going to get more
40:46.3
sophisticated. So kahit na sabihin
40:48.3
natin yung mga operator hindi
40:50.3
masyadong sophisticated sa style nila,
40:52.3
the technology might become more
40:56.3
Kaya it's still important na mag-subscribe
40:58.3
tayo sa mga mainstream media. Kasi
41:00.3
sila yung magpa-fact check talaga
41:02.3
ng mga ganitong phenomenon.
41:04.3
Buti nga yung na-mention mo ang deepfake,
41:06.3
naagapan nga siya. Actually, hindi ko nga siyang
41:08.3
napanood eh. I just heard about it na lang
41:12.3
And tayo naman as journalists,
41:14.3
we should also be careful to kind of
41:16.3
like strike a proper
41:20.3
advice ko siguro for journalists and for
41:22.3
even for government officials as well, anyone who's
41:24.3
working in like this kind of like
41:26.3
information spreading
41:28.3
capacity na official, it's very important
41:30.3
na even when you're fact
41:32.3
checking something, if you're calling
41:34.3
out itong mga propaganda or ano,
41:36.3
huwag silang bigyan ng engagement.
41:38.3
So don't directly quote tweet
41:40.3
them sana or ano,
41:42.3
better to screen cap tapos lagyan ng
41:44.3
graphic na parang fact check type.
41:46.3
May mga ganong guidelines, di ba,
41:48.3
pag fact checker ka?
41:50.3
Because you don't want to drive traffic
41:54.3
source ng disinformation.
41:56.3
So that's one way
42:00.3
and people who spread
42:02.3
information officially, in official
42:04.3
capacity, can be mindful.
42:06.3
Doon sa grupo nyo, sa
42:08.3
FOCAP, concerned ba
42:10.3
kayo sa possible infiltration
42:12.3
naman? Kasi you are an
42:14.3
organization of foreign news
42:16.3
organizations covering Philippine
42:18.3
issues, di ba? Basically,
42:20.3
paano kung ma-infiltrate naman kayo
42:22.3
kunwari ng Chinese spy na nagpapanggap
42:24.3
na journalist? Ano yung mga protocols
42:26.3
nyo dyan, yung mga safeguards nyo?
42:28.3
Thorough naman yung application
42:30.3
process ng FOCAP, I would say.
42:32.3
We have an application
42:34.3
form and we have certain requirements
42:36.3
for members to be able to stay in the
42:38.3
org every year. At isa doon sa mga
42:40.3
requirements, Christian, apart from
42:42.3
the fact na kailangan practicing
42:46.3
na vetted ka by an agency,
42:48.3
is that you also have to be vetted
42:50.3
by a board member or other people
42:52.3
inside of the org.
42:54.3
So this is a process na ina-approve
42:56.3
ng board every year. We really go
42:58.3
through each of the members.
43:02.3
need the endorsement of an agency
43:04.3
as well. So parang may mga ganong
43:06.3
process naman kami to avoid that from
43:10.3
And I remember, di ba, there was an instance
43:12.3
na pati kayo sinisi ng,
43:14.3
journalist, hindi lang pala kayo.
43:16.3
Mga journalist na embedded doon
43:18.3
sa mga resupply missions ng
43:20.3
Pilipinas, sa IUNGIN for instance.
43:22.3
Ang sinasabi nung
43:24.3
China, di ba, sa pahayag nila.
43:26.3
Nag-i-invento raw.
43:28.3
Manipulated yung mga images, whatever.
43:30.3
So yung ganyan, paano ba
43:32.3
dapat yung, ano ba yung approach ng FOCAP?
43:34.3
Kunwari in-embed kayo doon sa
43:36.3
resupply mission. Ano yung mindset
43:40.3
So it's just like,
43:42.3
it's just like the same as a local
43:44.3
journalist, I would say, Ian. Tenorship
43:46.3
siyempre sa FOCAP kasi
43:48.3
for quite a while, hindi talagang
43:50.3
pumapayag yung government na
43:52.3
siguro for safety reasons
43:54.3
or whatever other risk
43:56.3
reasons, it took a
43:58.3
while for the government na pumayag na
44:00.3
may foreigner talaga na
44:02.3
mag-e-embed. So usually, kami yung nag-embed
44:04.3
yung mga Pinoy na staff or yung
44:06.3
mga local na hire on
44:08.3
behalf of the foreign. In
44:10.3
which case, the dynamic is
44:12.3
really just like reporting
44:14.3
for a local outlet.
44:20.3
ourselves doon, and we get to
44:22.3
witness the same as what a local
44:24.3
journalist would and as what the
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Coast Guard also does, which is yung mga
44:28.3
water cannon, yung harassment,
44:30.3
yung cutting ng China sa West
44:32.3
Philippine Sea. At kaya
44:34.3
namin nasabi, Ian,
44:36.3
na-release namin yung statement na yun. I think
44:38.3
that was around last month or
44:40.3
within the last couple of months na
44:42.3
inakusahan kami ng
44:46.3
ministry spokesman and ng embassy
44:48.3
na nag-e-e-embed or
44:50.3
manipulate namin yung video, masasabi
44:52.3
namin na with confidence that that is simply
44:54.3
not true. And that's why we
44:56.3
thought to release that statement. Dahil ang
45:00.3
in West Philippine Sea ay
45:02.3
medyo buwis-buhay siya
45:04.3
na assignment. It's a high-risk
45:06.3
hostile assignment.
45:08.3
And we've gone through the process.
45:10.3
We can definitely say
45:12.3
that it's not true at all
45:14.3
that journalists invent
45:16.3
or manipulate the video
45:18.3
that you see out of the West
45:22.3
Buti malinaw yan. Kasi isa yun sa mga
45:24.3
ginagamit to reinforce
45:26.3
the disinformation by the
45:28.3
Chinese side. Well, anyway, maraming
45:30.3
salamat sa iyo, Regine, for joining us dito
45:32.3
sa Facts First sa UU
45:34.3
Elite. Masayang kausap sa Regine,
45:36.3
medyo formal lang siya ngayon.
45:38.3
Maraming salamat, Ian.
45:40.3
If I can add siguro one thing also,
45:42.3
influence operations definitely
45:46.3
will not stop anytime soon.
45:48.3
But what we can do is that
45:50.3
we can learn to identify them and also
45:52.3
inform ourselves. Pero yung
45:54.3
online influence operations,
45:56.3
isang aspect lang yan ng
45:58.3
malign influence,
46:00.3
ng foreign interference.
46:02.3
Meron ding offline.
46:04.3
Baka nga in the Philippine context,
46:06.3
that's something that we should watch out for more.
46:08.3
Another discussion for
46:10.3
another time. Ayan.
46:12.3
Thank you, Ian. Most definitely.
46:14.3
Offline disinformation. Maraming salamat,
46:16.3
Regine Cabato for
46:18.3
joining us. Siya po yung Vice President
46:20.3
of Foreign Correspondence Association
46:22.3
of the Philippines. Thank you, Regine.
46:30.3
Si Regine Cabato.
46:34.3
Importante po na pinag-uusapan nito kasi
46:38.3
sa atin dito sa ginagawa ng
46:42.3
for instance, diba? Delikado po yan
46:44.3
yung mga deepfake na yan.
46:46.3
Kung napapanood nyo. Kasi sa iba, katuwaan
46:48.3
yan eh. Paano, kunwari, pinalabas yung
46:50.3
mukha ni Bongbong Marcos,
46:52.3
tapos ginamit yung boses niya,
46:54.3
pero may pinasabi sa kanya. Tapos yung
46:56.3
bibig, ang ganda ng pagkaka-edit.
46:58.3
So hindi mo mapapansin na
47:00.3
weird yung pagbuka ng bibig niya. Kasi nga,
47:02.3
more sophisticated
47:04.3
form of deepfake.
47:06.3
Paano kung sinabi rin, kunwari,
47:10.3
I'm sending the Philippine Navy
47:16.3
in the West Philippine Sea.
47:18.3
Eh hindi naman niya sinabi.
47:20.3
Mahirap habulin yung pagka-fact check
47:22.3
nun, lalo kung nadinig na ng mga tao yun.
47:24.3
Or baka naman pwedeng
47:26.3
gawin yung tao dito
47:30.3
Gawin siyang reason para umatake
47:32.3
yung isang side, for instance, diba?
47:34.3
So maraming pwede mangyari, and ayaw
47:36.3
natin ng gera dito, contrary to what
47:42.3
disinformation operators
47:44.3
and propagandists are propagating
47:48.3
Hindi po gera ang in-instigate natin dito,
47:52.3
Sinisikip lang po nating manindigan
47:54.3
dun sa tama. Kasi before
47:56.3
you know it, baka
48:00.3
buong West Philippine Sea.
48:04.3
kung ano yung implications niyan.
48:06.3
Actually, alam natin yung implications niyan. Kawawa tayo
48:08.3
at yung mga susunod na henerasyon natin.
48:14.3
makapili naman ngayon, diba?
48:16.3
Siyempre, tumatanggap lang.
48:20.3
Yung mga makapili ngayon,
48:24.3
ang buhay nila ngayon. Pero
48:26.3
I don't know kung tutubuan sila ng konsensya.
48:28.3
Diba? Ang tatapang pa nga eh.
48:32.3
Kinaaway pa nga yung mga naninindigan
48:34.3
para sa interest ng China eh.
48:40.3
yung mga babatiin po tayo rito. Binabati natin
48:42.3
si Eugene Keeler. Yan, si
48:44.3
classmate from college. Ang ganda ng
48:46.3
profile pic mo ngayon ah.
48:50.3
Tapos binabati rin po natin si Mark
48:54.3
Shoutout from Regina, Canada.
48:56.3
Listening while at work. Mabuhay kayo dyan.
48:58.3
At yan, katanggol sa
49:02.3
Kay Agustin Mondragon, maraming salamat sa iyo.
49:04.3
Thank you, thank you.
49:06.3
Nabatiin tayo. Meron tayong babasahin mensahe.
49:08.3
Na-touch tayo dito.
49:12.3
Nag-message sa akin si ano eh.
49:18.3
Recently, nag-message sa atin si
49:20.3
Direk Erick Mati.
49:22.3
Diba? Sikat na sikat na
49:24.3
director. Sabi niya,
49:26.3
ganda ng mga topics mo lately to. Ang tuwa ako
49:28.3
sa mga banter niyo ng guest mo. Cheers.
49:30.3
Smart conversations pero entertaining.
49:32.3
Maraming salamat, Direk Erick.
49:34.3
Thank you, thank you very much po.
49:36.3
Maraming, maraming salamat po.
49:38.3
Tapos, binabati rin po natin si
49:40.3
Trisha Elaine Mayo.
49:44.3
Nag-message siya kanina sa ating
49:52.3
I-order siya ng merch.
49:54.3
Tapos nag-message siya.
49:56.3
Sabi niya, pwede po ba pa-sign? E lagi naman may
49:58.3
kasamang ano yun eh. Sign the note
50:00.3
from yours truly. Sabi ko,
50:02.3
eh ba't yun lang? Batiin na natin ikaw ngayong gabi.
50:04.3
Ayan. Binabati natin si
50:06.3
Trisha Elaine Mayo.
50:08.3
Maraming, maraming salamat sa supporta mo.
50:10.3
Tapos, binabati rin natin si
50:14.3
Engay. Ayan. Si DJ.
50:16.3
Ayan. Kaibigan natin yan.
50:18.3
And, maraming, maraming salamat
50:20.3
sa supporta mo, DJ, no? He's from
50:24.3
Taga Arneo yan. Maraming, maraming salamat sa'yo,
50:26.3
DJ. Sa supporta mo, I really
50:28.3
appreciate it. Ayan.
50:30.3
Bukas, alam niyo ba kung sinong guest na
50:32.3
natin. Teka muna. Shoutout
50:34.3
kay Edie or Ed Cabral.
50:36.3
Maraming salamat sa'yo. Kay Lian Flores.
50:42.3
Walang sawa na makipag
50:44.3
makbakan sa mga trolls.
50:52.3
ano pa? What? Wyrick.
50:54.3
Ayan. Maraming salamat sa'yo.
50:56.3
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
51:08.3
kay Mama Rinne Salud na lagi din
51:10.3
nanonood sa'yo. Oye, ganun po ba? Maraming salamat po.
51:12.3
Thank you po. Thank you.
51:16.3
Bukas po ang guest natin, alam niyo ba kung sino?
51:18.3
Si Commodore J. Tariella.
51:20.3
Tagapagsilita po ng Philippine
51:22.3
Coast Guard pagdating po sa issue
51:24.3
ng West Philippine Sea.
51:26.3
Ayan. Medyo hot si Commodore J. Tariella.
51:28.3
At saka grabe, no? Talagang
51:30.3
binabakbakan siya ng mga
51:34.3
trolls ng China, no?
51:38.3
Binawakwak siya. Pero,
51:40.3
yan po ang pag-uusapan natin bukas. Yung
51:42.3
ito nga nangyayari sa West Philippine Sea.
51:44.3
And guest po natin si Commodore J. Tariella.
51:48.3
din kay Gemma Cabalfin
51:50.3
from Iloilo. Thank you sa'yo.
51:52.3
Tapos si Lito Reyes.
51:54.3
Ako, shoutout sir. Maraming salamat sa'yo.
51:56.3
Si Science and Facts. Hindi ko pa rin nalalaman
51:58.3
ng pangalan mo. Ayan.
52:00.3
Science and Facts.
52:02.3
Maraming salamat sa'yo.
52:04.3
Si John Wanderer. Madalas manood, John.
52:06.3
Thank you po sa inyo.
52:10.3
Si Randy Reyes. Namimiss ko si
52:12.3
Llamas. Ako, hindi.
52:16.3
Ayan. Sino pa ba?
52:20.3
Sabi ni Fernando Arboleda,
52:22.3
kaya dapat mag-example sa accountability
52:24.3
mga traidor para malaman ng
52:26.3
mga bagong henerasyon ang kahalagahan
52:36.3
Tapos si Marivic Jimenez.
52:40.3
Ayan. Si John Wanderer. Shoutout po
52:42.3
kina Just Vincent.
52:44.3
Tsaka kay Seven Samurai.
52:46.3
Ayan. Sige guys. Maraming salamat po.
52:48.3
Kita-kita po tayo bukas. Ito si Nell
52:50.3
Ver watching from Sydney.
52:52.3
Thank you. Si Jet Lu
52:54.3
watching from San Pablo City.
52:58.3
Si Adolfo Samson. Thank you rin.
53:00.3
Watching from Seattle. Thank you po
53:02.3
sa inyong lahat. Okay?
53:06.3
Sige po. Kita-kita po tayo bukas. Live tayo
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tomorrow. Thank you for watching. Ako po si
53:10.3
Christian Rizguera. This is Factsverse.
